> however, the salaries for jobs that vocational schools would train your for show very little pressure to increase. Aren't "Code Camps" vocational schools? I

> however, the salaries for jobs that vocational schools would train your for show very little pressure to increase. Aren't "Code Camps" vocational schools? I mean another perennial HN complaint is about how "off-topic" university CS courses are. Personally, I disagree. I'm with Knuth on this one: > People who are more than casually interested in computers should have at least some idea of what the underlying hardware is like. Otherwise the programs they write will be pretty weird. To be fair, sometimes it really doesn't matter if the program is weird or not. A machinist or tradesman is different from an engineer. But clearly there is some value to those classes even if you don't end up using that knowledge directly. Doesn't make it off-topic or useless, but we definitely frame things this way. I mean the major thing I would change about code camps is make it a 1 year or 2 year process and actually get some depth and nuance instead of being a cram school focused more on trying to get you to pass the test than trying to teach you what the test is trying to test.