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Either you didn't read the article or you missed the point.

by jeffreybaird 14y ago

zalew 14y ago
elaborate the point then.
- jeffreybaird 14y ago
  TLDR If you work your ass off you can get a job doing what you love in a relatively short amount of time. I wasn't claiming that I am an awesome programmer but I got good enough to put myself into a position where I could learn from awesome programmers, on the job, while getting paid.
  - gruseom 14y ago
    Bravo, and if you keep working your ass off you will be an awesome programmer. I did the same thing, by the way, though it was ages ago, so no Github or anything like that. The only thing I'd change, looking back, is that having got that first job I allowed myself to get stuck. I was doing one kind of work using one set of tools and even though I got good at it and made money at it, it constrained me mentally. A lot of programmers fall into this trap. It's insidious because you don't know you've fallen into it. Something ends up having to shock you out of it and that is not a good place to be. Perhaps if I had studied CS I would have started out with a broader sense of the field. In the end it took quite an effort to maneuver my boat into larger (and deeper) streams.
  - zalew 14y ago
    ok then. I guess the party pooper comments come from a different view on what is learning to program, and that different view comes from a different experience. Many people forget that today self-learning is much easier than, say, 12 years ago; yet knowing theory on 'how stuff works' is no less important than back then. Good luck on your job.
    - mattdeboard 14y ago
      Learning to program is learning to program is learning to program. "Programmer" isn't a protected title, it's not a title you earn, it's a description of a thing you do. Farmers farm, birdwatchers birdwatch, programmers program. There's no interpretation available in the phrase "learn to program."
      - zalew 14y ago
        not sure if you realize I agree with you. programming is such a broad occupation that even among programmers themselves there is a lot of discourse often tending towards 'no true scotsman' fallacies (usually comming from low-level to higher).

Either you didn't read the article or you missed the point.

zalew 14y ago

elaborate the point then.

jeffreybaird 14y ago
TLDR If you work your ass off you can get a job doing what you love in a relatively short amount of time. I wasn't claiming that I am an awesome programmer but I got good enough to put myself into a position where I could learn from awesome programmers, on the job, while getting paid.
- gruseom 14y ago
  Bravo, and if you keep working your ass off you will be an awesome programmer. I did the same thing, by the way, though it was ages ago, so no Github or anything like that. The only thing I'd change, looking back, is that having got that first job I allowed myself to get stuck. I was doing one kind of work using one set of tools and even though I got good at it and made money at it, it constrained me mentally. A lot of programmers fall into this trap. It's insidious because you don't know you've fallen into it. Something ends up having to shock you out of it and that is not a good place to be. Perhaps if I had studied CS I would have started out with a broader sense of the field. In the end it took quite an effort to maneuver my boat into larger (and deeper) streams.
- zalew 14y ago
  ok then. I guess the party pooper comments come from a different view on what is learning to program, and that different view comes from a different experience. Many people forget that today self-learning is much easier than, say, 12 years ago; yet knowing theory on 'how stuff works' is no less important than back then. Good luck on your job.
  - mattdeboard 14y ago
    Learning to program is learning to program is learning to program. "Programmer" isn't a protected title, it's not a title you earn, it's a description of a thing you do. Farmers farm, birdwatchers birdwatch, programmers program. There's no interpretation available in the phrase "learn to program."
    - zalew 14y ago
      not sure if you realize I agree with you. programming is such a broad occupation that even among programmers themselves there is a lot of discourse often tending towards 'no true scotsman' fallacies (usually comming from low-level to higher).