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1st amendment covers us citizens and people in USA. Before a noncitizen enters, there is no 1st amendment protection. Whether this is right or wrong is irreleva

1st amendment covers us citizens and people in USA. Before a noncitizen enters, there is no 1st amendment protection. Whether this is right or wrong is irrelevant to this fact.

affinepplan 1y ago
it also covers anyone "presumed to be" an us citizen, even if the gov. does not have specific knowledge that they definitively are.
afavour 1y ago
I assume that’s why OP said “the spirit of”. The spirit of the first amendment is free speech. Once you start litigating exactly who gets to speak freely and in what scenarios in an attempt to limit it as much as possible then I’d agree it’s very much not in the spirit of the amendment.
01100011 1y ago
No. It's an inalienable right inherent to all humans regardless of citizenship. That said, the right to free speech does not mean you are free from consequences from that speech. If you're hoping to gain access to a country, it would be wise to refrain from criticizing that country. Yes, views can change and maybe you talked negatively before realizing you wanted to visit the offended country. Not sure what to say to that.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > It's an inalienable right inherent to all humans regardless of citizenship No, it's not. The First Amendment is a legal provision restricting what the U.S. government can do. Free speech, as a principle, is a broader construct. Some people believe it's a natural right [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_rights#Contemporary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_right...
- 8note 1y ago
  in this case its to make sure people arent criticising a third party. say something bad about israel, and you lose entry to the US, if you're poor
amanaplanacanal 1y ago
The plain text says "Congress shall make no law", it doesn't say anything about citizens or non-citizens.
- dmitrygr 1y ago
  Jeez, and whom, might I ask, do laws made by american congress - american laws - apply to? Americans and people in america.
  - Bootvis 1y ago
    Why wouldn’t American laws apply to people applying for a visa to enter the USA?
  - afavour 1y ago
    Huh? Why could it not apply to people in foreign countries applying to come to the US? The process is entirely under US control.

1st amendment covers us citizens and people in USA. Before a noncitizen enters, there is no 1st amendment protection. Whether this is right or wrong is irrelevant to this fact.

affinepplan 1y ago

it also covers anyone "presumed to be" an us citizen, even if the gov. does not have specific knowledge that they definitively are.

afavour 1y ago

I assume that’s why OP said “the spirit of”. The spirit of the first amendment is free speech. Once you start litigating exactly who gets to speak freely and in what scenarios in an attempt to limit it as much as possible then I’d agree it’s very much not in the spirit of the amendment.

01100011 1y ago

No. It's an inalienable right inherent to all humans regardless of citizenship. That said, the right to free speech does not mean you are free from consequences from that speech. If you're hoping to gain access to a country, it would be wise to refrain from criticizing that country. Yes, views can change and maybe you talked negatively before realizing you wanted to visit the offended country. Not sure what to say to that.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> It's an inalienable right inherent to all humans regardless of citizenship No, it's not. The First Amendment is a legal provision restricting what the U.S. government can do. Free speech, as a principle, is a broader construct. Some people believe it's a natural right [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_rights#Contemporary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_right...
8note 1y ago
in this case its to make sure people arent criticising a third party. say something bad about israel, and you lose entry to the US, if you're poor

amanaplanacanal 1y ago

The plain text says "Congress shall make no law", it doesn't say anything about citizens or non-citizens.

dmitrygr 1y ago
Jeez, and whom, might I ask, do laws made by american congress - american laws - apply to? Americans and people in america.
- Bootvis 1y ago
  Why wouldn’t American laws apply to people applying for a visa to enter the USA?
- afavour 1y ago
  Huh? Why could it not apply to people in foreign countries applying to come to the US? The process is entirely under US control.