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> startup would have succeeded, just by providing the most barely functioning product at the cheapest prices, and making enough revenue by volume. You've just
by vinceguidry 1y ago
> startup would have succeeded, just by providing the most barely functioning product at the cheapest prices, and making enough revenue by volume.
You've just described hustle culture. And yes, it does lead to business success. Engineers don't like hustle.
- prmph 1y agoYep, but most hustles fail, the number of startups that succeed is like, what, 5 or 10%?
- vinceguidry 1y agoHustles don't fail, why would you think they would? Customers love hiring hustlers. Startups fail because they want software economics, not hustle economics. If you're willing to accept hustle economics, you'll never run out of work.
- prmph 1y agoWeird arguments you are making. I'm talking about startup business. > Hustles don't fail Then by definition there should be few engineers with financial problems, right? Almost every engineer wants to succeed with their side hustle
- vinceguidry 1y agoNo engineer wants to hustle. You're still only thinking in terms of startups. I'm thinking about landscapers and ticket scalpers. No engineer is doing that. But if you were willing to, you'd make money.
- kerkeslager 1y agoYou're not communicating well--it's unclear what you mean by "hustle". It's also pretty unlikely that speaking in absolutes ("no engineer") is correct here. It sounds a lot like you're saying "all engineers are lazy" and that's just obviously wrong.
- vinceguidry 1y agoUsing the words of the person I was discussing with. > providing the most barely functioning product at the cheapest prices, and making enough revenue by volume This is hustling.
- kerkeslager 1y agoAnd if that's what you're saying, you're unambiguously wrong on your overall point. Plenty of engineers are building barely-functional products as fast (cheap, because time is money) as can be and doing a ton of volume. The entire Bangalore contractor scene was built this way, as well as a ton of small Western contractor shops. You honestly think no engineers understand undercutting competition? Really?
- vinceguidry 1y agoSome engineers are alive to the hustle game. But if you're focused on quality you're not hustling. I'm not sure though I'd call business folks with software products that are hustling engineers. Different mindset.
- kerkeslager 1y agoCommitting to either "hustle" or "quality" is equally stupid. Quality is a means to an end goal, and eschewing quality is also a means to an end goal. And again, there are both business folks and engineers who are smart enough to choose when a focus on quality fits their goals and when it doesn't. It sounds like you've bought into some ridiculous "sigma grindset" nonsense and you're now gatekeeping it as an identity. For your own good, stop. Contrary to what you seem to believe, hustles do fail, and if you close your mind to that possibility you're going to eventually hustle on the wrong thing and burn yourself out on a hustle that doesn't work. And even if you don't, you'll make yourself intolerable to anyone you'd want to interact with. It's not a good path.
- vinceguidry 1y ago
- sanderjd 1y agoI honestly don't understand what point this comment is trying to make.