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Do you really think half of these grads arent getting job because of AI replacing coders, In the short time where these coding assistants have been available?

by tacker2000 1y ago

Do you really think half of these grads arent getting job because of AI replacing coders, In the short time where these coding assistants have been available? I mean I’ve tried Claude Code - its impressive and could be a great helper and assistant but I still cant see it replacing such a large amount of engineers. I still have to look over the output and see if its not spitting out garbage. I would guess basic coding will be replaced somewhat, but you still need people who guide the AI and detect problems.

ben_w 1y ago
I can see current models replacing *fresh graduates*, on the basis of what I've seen from various fresh graduates over the last 20 years. I don't disagree that models makes a lot of eye-rolling mistakes, it's just that I've seen such mistakes from juniors also, and this kind of AI is a junior in all fields simultaneously (unlike real graduates which are mediocre at only one thing and useless at the rest) and cost peanuts — literally, priced at an actual bag of peanuts. Humans do have an advantage very quickly once they actually get any real-world experience, so I would also say it's not yet as good as someone with even just 2 years experience — but this comes with a caveat: I'm usually a few months behind on model quality, on the grounds that I think there's not much point paying for the latest and greatest when the best becomes obsolete (and thus free) over that timescale.
larrled 1y ago
You can’t build a business on scaling out the hiring 1000s of AI experts. You only need so many, which is why they get higher salaries. There will never be an infosys or tata for such workers like there was for many of us mere coders. Infosys and tata will likely benefit, but their average worker will not.
- tacker2000 1y ago
  Well these “AI experts” are just senior devs and without once being a junior, youll never become one. So there will be junior devs. They might not grind their teeth on CRUD apps anymore, but we will definitely have them.

ben_w 1y ago

I can see current models replacing *fresh graduates*, on the basis of what I've seen from various fresh graduates over the last 20 years. I don't disagree that models makes a lot of eye-rolling mistakes, it's just that I've seen such mistakes from juniors also, and this kind of AI is a junior in all fields simultaneously (unlike real graduates which are mediocre at only one thing and useless at the rest) and cost peanuts — literally, priced at an actual bag of peanuts. Humans do have an advantage very quickly once they actually get any real-world experience, so I would also say it's not yet as good as someone with even just 2 years experience — but this comes with a caveat: I'm usually a few months behind on model quality, on the grounds that I think there's not much point paying for the latest and greatest when the best becomes obsolete (and thus free) over that timescale.

larrled 1y ago

You can’t build a business on scaling out the hiring 1000s of AI experts. You only need so many, which is why they get higher salaries. There will never be an infosys or tata for such workers like there was for many of us mere coders. Infosys and tata will likely benefit, but their average worker will not.

tacker2000 1y ago
Well these “AI experts” are just senior devs and without once being a junior, youll never become one. So there will be junior devs. They might not grind their teeth on CRUD apps anymore, but we will definitely have them.