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Guess you don't click on peoples profiles much...

by axod 18y ago

tptacek 18y ago
It's not my fault you're building a company on a protocol from 1989. =) You know, I made the same mistake in 1998; we started (and got funded) a company that basically took IRC and: * Added arbitrary TLV encoded data to messages * Used link state routing to solve the netsplit problem * Used FEC to provide reliability over the resulting mesh network But even though you've kept current on IRC and I wrote it off a long time ago, I'm pretty sure I can still win an argument that IRC is archaic and ready to go.
- axod 18y ago
  Meh seems to be working fine for me thanks :) Plenty of people are building companies based on HTML also you know. I don't quite see your point... Those problems you 'solved' are not problems any user cares about though. They want IRC to be easy, and usable as a webchat.
  - tptacek 18y ago
    Oh I totally agree, the world did not need a BitTorrent/IRC combination in 1999, or in 2009. But the world certainly wants to be able to upload files and images into group chats. No user cares about IRC; they want group chat to be easy as using a website.
- axod 18y ago
  You can't win the argument, because millions of people are still using it, and it's growing... I assume your startup failed. Perhaps that's tainted your view a tad.
  - tptacek 18y ago
    My 1999 startup did not fail because I made the wrong bet about the ancient IRC protocol. IRC isn't "growing" just because you stuck a web front end on it and started counting page views. Like I said, the overwhelming majority of your users could care less what the protocol is behind it. You are the opposite of right; IRC is dying, and will be replaced with web chat systems with backend protocols nobody thinks about.
    - axod 18y ago
      "started counting page views" Why would I count page views? Counting profit is much more fun. I think you'll see an explosion in online webchat this year and next, and IRC will be one of the clear winners. I don't like the protocol, it's a complete mess to be honest, but that's what'll happen.

Guess you don't click on peoples profiles much...

by axod 18y ago

Guess you don't click on peoples profiles much...

It's not my fault you're building a company on a protocol from 1989. =) You know, I made the same mistake in 1998; we started (and got funded) a company that basically took IRC and: * Added arbitrary TLV encoded data to messages * Used link state routing to solve the netsplit problem * Used FEC to provide reliability over the resulting mesh network But even though you've kept current on IRC and I wrote it off a long time ago, I'm pretty sure I can still win an argument that IRC is archaic and ready to go.

axod 18y ago
Meh seems to be working fine for me thanks :) Plenty of people are building companies based on HTML also you know. I don't quite see your point... Those problems you 'solved' are not problems any user cares about though. They want IRC to be easy, and usable as a webchat.
- tptacek 18y ago
  Oh I totally agree, the world did not need a BitTorrent/IRC combination in 1999, or in 2009. But the world certainly wants to be able to upload files and images into group chats. No user cares about IRC; they want group chat to be easy as using a website.
axod 18y ago
You can't win the argument, because millions of people are still using it, and it's growing... I assume your startup failed. Perhaps that's tainted your view a tad.
- tptacek 18y ago
  My 1999 startup did not fail because I made the wrong bet about the ancient IRC protocol. IRC isn't "growing" just because you stuck a web front end on it and started counting page views. Like I said, the overwhelming majority of your users could care less what the protocol is behind it. You are the opposite of right; IRC is dying, and will be replaced with web chat systems with backend protocols nobody thinks about.
  - axod 18y ago
    "started counting page views" Why would I count page views? Counting profit is much more fun. I think you'll see an explosion in online webchat this year and next, and IRC will be one of the clear winners. I don't like the protocol, it's a complete mess to be honest, but that's what'll happen.