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On the contrary - I thought it was a pretty accurate description of the article, especially when you have statements like: Expect to spend 2 to 3 years learn

On the contrary - I thought it was a pretty accurate description of the article, especially when you have statements like: Expect to spend 2 to 3 years learning how the company works, though it may be longer before opportunities arise. And people think millenials are entitled. Sheesh.

michaelochurch 14y ago
I may be unusual, but it doesn't take me 2-3 years to get a sense of how a company works. I won't know all the details, because no one can, but I can generally figure out what the company values and who the players are (and whether I have a chance of joining them) pretty quickly. Taking 2 years to figure out whether an opportunity is worth pursuing isn't honorable; it's a way to get overinvested in what would otherwise be minuscule mistakes. If the game is worth playing, you have to execute and that takes time. That can take 2-5+ years. Whatever the vision is, it's going to take a lot of effort to put it together. But you can usually figure out when a game is not worth playing in a couple of months. I'm not saying that people should quit a job after a shitty week because even the best jobs have bad spells, but people shouldn't waste time because of a need to keep up a false appearance of loyalty. Again, it comes down to this: are you the chef's protege, or are you washing dishes?
MartinCron 14y ago
I don't have a problem with the message. I have a problem with the tone.
- anthonyb 14y ago
  But not a problem with the tone or content of the original article? Maybe it's because I'm Australian, but if the OP is a wanker, I don't see a problem with calling him on it.
  - MartinCron 14y ago
    The tone of the original article isn't as relevant as that's not as directly a part of the community as the comments here. If the article doesn't belong, then it should be flagged, right?
SatvikBeri 14y ago
I've posted before how I saved a previous employer millions of dollars. That was mostly during the 3-9 month period after I joined. Their response was...nothing. After a bunch of politicking, I got offered a promotion doing work I didn't want to do, with a timeline of getting promoted about 9 more months after my major accomplishment. And companies wonder why their best employees leave.

michaelochurch 14y ago

I may be unusual, but it doesn't take me 2-3 years to get a sense of how a company works. I won't know all the details, because no one can, but I can generally figure out what the company values and who the players are (and whether I have a chance of joining them) pretty quickly. Taking 2 years to figure out whether an opportunity is worth pursuing isn't honorable; it's a way to get overinvested in what would otherwise be minuscule mistakes. If the game is worth playing, you have to execute and that takes time. That can take 2-5+ years. Whatever the vision is, it's going to take a lot of effort to put it together. But you can usually figure out when a game is not worth playing in a couple of months. I'm not saying that people should quit a job after a shitty week because even the best jobs have bad spells, but people shouldn't waste time because of a need to keep up a false appearance of loyalty. Again, it comes down to this: are you the chef's protege, or are you washing dishes?

MartinCron 14y ago

I don't have a problem with the message. I have a problem with the tone.

anthonyb 14y ago
But not a problem with the tone or content of the original article? Maybe it's because I'm Australian, but if the OP is a wanker, I don't see a problem with calling him on it.
- MartinCron 14y ago
  The tone of the original article isn't as relevant as that's not as directly a part of the community as the comments here. If the article doesn't belong, then it should be flagged, right?

SatvikBeri 14y ago

I've posted before how I saved a previous employer millions of dollars. That was mostly during the 3-9 month period after I joined. Their response was...nothing. After a bunch of politicking, I got offered a promotion doing work I didn't want to do, with a timeline of getting promoted about 9 more months after my major accomplishment. And companies wonder why their best employees leave.