There's a few levels going on here: - technologists and startup wannabes feeling like HN is "underground" because of the stripped down aesthetic and weird tech

There's a few levels going on here: - technologists and startup wannabes feeling like HN is "underground" because of the stripped down aesthetic and weird tech stack - out of touch VCs who are successful because of money and connections but want to cosplay as technical - the end users of the startups, who are fed the enshittified products funded by the VCs and created by the technologists