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This comment is why I go to the comments first. Oh hey you're the guy who made kilo. Good job. [edit] lol he edited it... they always edit it
by 90s_dev 1y ago
This comment is why I go to the comments first.
Oh hey you're the guy who made kilo. Good job.
[edit] lol he edited it... they always edit it
- antirez 1y agoI always love when people recognize me for kilo or dump1090 or hping and not for Redis :D Side projects for the win. Thanks for your comment!
- 90s_dev 1y agoI've literally never even used Redis, let alone know what it is or does. I dunno how I was able to make money in software since 2008 without figuring that out... or learning SQL, or C++. There's far more that I don't know than I do know. But anyway if you wrote Redis or something then congrats, I've definitely heard of it.
- antirez 1y agoI have a theory, that I call "of the equivalence of modern software systems" that tells a lot about how unimportant Redis and other technologies are, that is: modern computing is so developed that pick any random language, kernel, and database, any of the top ones available, and I can create every project without too much troubles. PHP / Win32 / SQLite? Ok, I can make it work. Ruby / Linux / Redis? Well, fine as well.
- tehjoker 1y agoredis is designed for scaling so if you don’t have a large project you don’t need it
- tie_ 1y agoAin't it cute 'splaining what redis is designed for to the person who designed it
- 90s_dev 1y agoYou win the "someone on HN made me laugh out loud" award. The last person to win it was like a month ago so good job.
- tehjoker 1y agoI thought I was replying to a subcommenter... oopsie
- qingcharles 1y agoI read it in Ralph Wiggum's voice
- butterfi 1y agoOne of my CS professors told the story about when MCSFT demonstrated their implementation of the Korn shell at a USENIX conference. Gasbag on stage tells the guy in the question line that he (questioner) has misinterpreted something in the software's original intention. Gasbag figures out something is up when half the room cracked up. The guy at the mic was David Korn, author of the Korn shell.
- pmarreck 1y agoHonestly, the relatively high probability of this happening is part of what makes HN great :)
- secondcoming 1y agoRedis is absolutely not designed for scaling. Maybe valkey is but I've yet to use it
- joaohaas 1y agoRedis is not designed for scaling. The 'default' version is a single-core app without any focus on availability. Yes there's Redis Cluster, but that's a separate thing, and most Redis installations don't use it.
- 90s_dev 1y agoI've noticed that too, LAMP stack vs MEAN stack etc. Part of it seems to be that software languages have "flavors" like natural spoken language does, so that one seems natural to one person and foreign to another, much like how DHH took TypeScript out of Rails, and I can't read Rails code or live without static types. Also college kids are always learning what the last generation already knew (like Lisp) and reinvent everything in it with the vigor of their youth and it gets popular, which I imagine is how Rails and Redis both started and caught on. But sometimes there are genuine innovations, and we can't build on them until someone comes up with them, much like how we couldn't invent machines until someone figured out that we could just use the lever to make gears to transport energy, which Archimedes didn't think of. And the more we learn collectively, the more these things spread. I wonder if this means it'll all stabilize into a JavaScript-like toolchain one day. Maybe Gary Bernhardt was right all along.
- braaaahp 1y agoYeh. Data driven model syncing machines will be what kills languages, software stacks. All the chip world talk of single function machines and how tech is now energy constrained industry, means pruning the state we store; most software is software to deliver software. Single function pipeline hardware platforms will act as little more than sync engines from models. I mean it’s is 2025. Still write software like it’s the 1970s. So high tech. Edit: https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.10668 https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.10668 From LLMs to energy models that transform electromagnetic geometry. Saving what’s needed to recreate cat pics and emails to mom. Pruning the tail as interest dips with generational churn.
- cryptonector 1y agoA.k.a. all you need is PG and something to serve your app over HTTPS. :joy:
- messe 1y agoI think PG might insist on using a lisp too.
- metadat 1y agoDoes Postgres support Lisp?
- nix-zarathustra 1y agoNo, but it has a stutter.
- cryptonector 1y agoI think u/messe was punning. I used "PG" to mean PostgreSQL, and u/messe probably knew that and probably meant PG as in Paul Graham, who is a huge fan of Lisp. I thought it was funny.
- nssnsjsjsjs 1y agoAll you need to build a great app server is PG, certbot and a great app server.
- taneq 1y agoAll modern stacks are CRUD-complete as well as Turing-complete? ;)
- simondotau 1y agoI still use CFML / MySQL (more specifically Lucee / MariaDB). Aside from not being one of the cool kids, I haven’t seen anything sufficiently compelling to justify changing my stack.
- catmacey 1y agoHeh. Me too! Throw in Coldbox and its ecosystem and you have most of what you need.
- very-old-sw 1y agoSoftware engineers have known for decades that the choice of implementation language is one of the smaller costs in a large project. Also, I personally never use a language that is less than 20 years old. Life cycle costs: post-release fixes: 50%. pre-release testing and debugging: 25%. requirements, design, implementation, etc: 25%
- cozzyd 1y agodump1090 (but not Redis) user here! Hi! (We're about to publish a paper that depends on data taken with dump1090, funny enough...).
- antirez 1y agoAwesome! Thanks! I had in mind of doing a V2 of dump1090 soon (time permitting) I have a few ideas that may improve the performances very significantly.
- echoangle 1y agoIs there any plan to have a JSON/JSONlines TCP endpoint in the V2? That’s not currently there, right? I want to process data in real time but then I have to decode the raw messages on port 30002 myself.
- 90s_dev 1y agoAlso think about it this way: Redis will eventually become obsolete. It may take 10 or 50 years, but it will happen. But kilo taught many developers about C, editors, terminals, and how simple it is to do syntax highlighting. This epiphany inspired me and many others, and the things we make because of that will last much longer than Redis.
- mattbis 1y agoRedis does a lot of things most people don't know about and its all super optimised.. I am not so sure. I would not want that happen simple as I would be really bored using one way to do everything ( prb sql ) Most people use it as a cache,.. you can build a lot of things with it that are far outside this narrow view... ( say a bidding system or something like that ) And for the other comment Scaling is possible via the commercial offering.. sofaik.. I didn't get to persuade anyone to let me use it for that.. I really wanted to.
- rurban 1y agoSuper optimized? Veto. It could use much better modern thread-safe hashmaps. With at least twice the performance. But it has a fantastic ease of use