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Whatsapp has mechanisms to prevent this kind of thing by blocking the messages from being sent, but I guess I'm confused about how this works financially. Sport

Whatsapp has mechanisms to prevent this kind of thing by blocking the messages from being sent, but I guess I'm confused about how this works financially. Sports streaming (especially something like La Liga) is the textbook example of a mass market product. The vast majority of the audience isn't technically sophisticated, and live streaming infrastructure is expensive. Pirate sites need a reasonably large audience to make money. I find it hard to believe that there's enough reach for people waiting to click on random links in private signal chats to make pirate streaming a viable business when people can just go to a bar or a friend's house. Is that really happening at any meaningful scale?

alwa 1y ago
> Is that really happening at any meaningful scale? Anecdotally: oh yes. I don’t know anybody who pays, although that may say more about the populations I work with and hang out with. I hear there’s plenty of headroom for the direct economics to work, if you’re reselling for less than the ~EUR100/month range the commercial providers charge [1]. Gross median income in Spain is on the order of EUR27000 annually, for reference [2]—so I’m not sure how many of the pirate viewers would be able to afford the legit product if the pirate channels dried up. I also hear [0] there’s a robust side trade in exploiting pirate viewers’ machines though malware-style techniques while they’re there and feeling enticed to click yes to things… [0] https://www.webroot.com/blog/2021/05/12/we-explored-the-dangers-of-pirated-sport-streams-so-you-dont-have-to/ https://www.webroot.com/blog/2021/05/12/we-explored-the-dang... [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/LaLiga/comments/1fksf3i/how_much_does_la_liga_cost_to_watch_in_spain_on_tv/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LaLiga/comments/1fksf3i/how_much_do... [2] https://www.ine.es/dyngs/INEbase/en/operacion.htm?c=Estadistica_C&cid=1254736177025&idp=1254735976596&menu=ultiDatos https://www.ine.es/dyngs/INEbase/en/operacion.htm?c=Estadist...
- 3eb7988a1663 1y ago
  That price point is insane. How could it ever rise to such a level that it prices out almost the entire audience of potentially casual subscribers?
  - drw85 1y ago
    Streaming services bid on the licenses and spent so much investor money that they have to charge this much and still not make a profit.
haiku2077 1y ago
I personally don't know _anyone_ my age who pays to stream sports.
yunohn 1y ago
> Whatsapp has mechanisms to prevent this kind of thing by blocking the messages from being sent Sorry, you mean WhatsApp detects and prevents the sharing of piracy links? I wasn’t aware of this, good to know. Is there a source of the various checks they have like this?
aerostable_slug 1y ago
I've seen these sites run ads, so I assume that means that they do have significant reach and further the ad providers get some return on their investment. Note that the ads were for things like VPN providers and pirate IPTV feed services, which people are willing to pay for.

alwa 1y ago

> Is that really happening at any meaningful scale? Anecdotally: oh yes. I don’t know anybody who pays, although that may say more about the populations I work with and hang out with. I hear there’s plenty of headroom for the direct economics to work, if you’re reselling for less than the ~EUR100/month range the commercial providers charge [1]. Gross median income in Spain is on the order of EUR27000 annually, for reference [2]—so I’m not sure how many of the pirate viewers would be able to afford the legit product if the pirate channels dried up. I also hear [0] there’s a robust side trade in exploiting pirate viewers’ machines though malware-style techniques while they’re there and feeling enticed to click yes to things… [0] https://www.webroot.com/blog/2021/05/12/we-explored-the-dangers-of-pirated-sport-streams-so-you-dont-have-to/ https://www.webroot.com/blog/2021/05/12/we-explored-the-dang... [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/LaLiga/comments/1fksf3i/how_much_does_la_liga_cost_to_watch_in_spain_on_tv/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LaLiga/comments/1fksf3i/how_much_do... [2] https://www.ine.es/dyngs/INEbase/en/operacion.htm?c=Estadistica_C&cid=1254736177025&idp=1254735976596&menu=ultiDatos https://www.ine.es/dyngs/INEbase/en/operacion.htm?c=Estadist...

3eb7988a1663 1y ago
That price point is insane. How could it ever rise to such a level that it prices out almost the entire audience of potentially casual subscribers?
- drw85 1y ago
  Streaming services bid on the licenses and spent so much investor money that they have to charge this much and still not make a profit.

haiku2077 1y ago

I personally don't know _anyone_ my age who pays to stream sports.

yunohn 1y ago

> Whatsapp has mechanisms to prevent this kind of thing by blocking the messages from being sent Sorry, you mean WhatsApp detects and prevents the sharing of piracy links? I wasn’t aware of this, good to know. Is there a source of the various checks they have like this?

aerostable_slug 1y ago

I've seen these sites run ads, so I assume that means that they do have significant reach and further the ad providers get some return on their investment. Note that the ads were for things like VPN providers and pirate IPTV feed services, which people are willing to pay for.