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People would’ve said the same thing about ELIZA. Turns out, people are inclined to anthropomorphize non-conscious objects or systems. This is especially true fo

People would’ve said the same thing about ELIZA. Turns out, people are inclined to anthropomorphize non-conscious objects or systems. This is especially true for chatbots, which are able to mimic language. Again, why should we believe that LLMs are capable of thought, other than the fact that they vaguely “seem” to communicate with conscious intent?

nullstyle 1y ago
> People would’ve said the same thing about ELIZA. I believe this to be the case because the appearance of thoughtfulness is a smooth function, not a line in the sand. Why are you bringing consciousness into this discussion? Consciousness isn't thoughtfulness. > Again, why should we believe that LLMs are capable of thought, other than the fact that they vaguely “seem” to communicate with conscious intent? I define "to think" as the act of applying context to a model. What do you define it as? Given my definition, llm inference seems plainly to be an act of thought.
nullstyle 1y ago
> Why do you assume that training on the internet would lead to AGI? Answer my question, please. edit: let me rephrase to be more clear with what i'm asking. Why are you assuming that consuming the entire internet would lead to either "AGI is here" or "AGI will never be here"? New techniques for developing better intelligence are emerging all the time.
- whilenot-dev 1y ago
  ...because that's the story being told?[0] [0]: https://openai.com/index/planning-for-agi-and-beyond/ https://openai.com/index/planning-for-agi-and-beyond/
  - nullstyle 1y ago
    I think if you read the article linked and thought: “I can assume that AGI will be birthed by training on the entire Internet” then you didn’t read very carefully or judge the author well.
    - whilenot-dev 1y ago
      I read the linked article and thought OpenAI wants to communicate: "We plan our decisions to build AGI in the long term". You know, decisions like the partnership with reddit[0] a year after that announcement. [0]: https://redditinc.com/blog/reddit-and-oai-partner https://redditinc.com/blog/reddit-and-oai-partner

nullstyle 1y ago

> People would’ve said the same thing about ELIZA. I believe this to be the case because the appearance of thoughtfulness is a smooth function, not a line in the sand. Why are you bringing consciousness into this discussion? Consciousness isn't thoughtfulness. > Again, why should we believe that LLMs are capable of thought, other than the fact that they vaguely “seem” to communicate with conscious intent? I define "to think" as the act of applying context to a model. What do you define it as? Given my definition, llm inference seems plainly to be an act of thought.

nullstyle 1y ago

> Why do you assume that training on the internet would lead to AGI? Answer my question, please. edit: let me rephrase to be more clear with what i'm asking. Why are you assuming that consuming the entire internet would lead to either "AGI is here" or "AGI will never be here"? New techniques for developing better intelligence are emerging all the time.

whilenot-dev 1y ago
...because that's the story being told?[0] [0]: https://openai.com/index/planning-for-agi-and-beyond/ https://openai.com/index/planning-for-agi-and-beyond/
- nullstyle 1y ago
  I think if you read the article linked and thought: “I can assume that AGI will be birthed by training on the entire Internet” then you didn’t read very carefully or judge the author well.
  - whilenot-dev 1y ago
    I read the linked article and thought OpenAI wants to communicate: "We plan our decisions to build AGI in the long term". You know, decisions like the partnership with reddit[0] a year after that announcement. [0]: https://redditinc.com/blog/reddit-and-oai-partner https://redditinc.com/blog/reddit-and-oai-partner