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I live in Spain, while I find the whole "life-threatening" narrative a tad overblown: I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power

I live in Spain, while I find the whole "life-threatening" narrative a tad overblown: I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power LaLiga is capable of wielding.

qoez 1y ago
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- 6510 1y ago
  They can still do emergency broadcasts, if elon approves.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  The fact that it's stupid doesn't make it untrue. Under-resourced public sector entities often reach for the easiest solutions: Facebook and Twitter. Consequently, those channels are a major portion of their disaster communication plans. If services don't want to assume the responsibilities of being critical utilities, then they shouldn't work so hard to establish monopolies.
  - foobarchu 1y ago
    In this case cloud flare is clearly willing to be the responsible party and has acknowledged that blocking them instead of requesting takedowns is the issue. Who are you chastising?
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      The post I was replying to > It reminds me of when they fear mongered about lives being at risk when twitter was down Where, yes, Twitter and Facebook and Cloudflare do have responsibilities to the public.
lnxg33k1 1y ago
Also Serie A, in Italy we had people losing everything this winter due to floods, and clubs were still trying to not postpone matches, it's so crap that there are so many people following football
- afarah1 1y ago
  In Brazil it is not uncommon for fans to organize protests, sometimes violent, when a club starts performing poorly due to perceived slack on the players. At the same time, seemingly more pressing political issues often go unnoticed. It's beyond me how some people get more riled up by the sport, not being a sports person myself.
  - hirako2000 1y ago
    It's designed for this purpose. Rome was organizing those games to thrill the romans, it worked splendid. When political concerns gets on the rise, you pump the show. It works better than your typical propaganda as players become heroes, managers and clubs make great money. Distributors get their cut. The machine is well oiled with solid monetary incentives. Football (and other sports watching): cheap but deep rooted emotions, press here to get your dose.
    - eej71 1y ago
      _Rollerball_ a movie from 1975 (not the 2002 remake) is an interesting take on this. A futuristic society that promotes an increasingly violent game to entertain and misdirect the masses.
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      Look at it the other way -- absent sports fanaticism, people with these personality traits would be involved in politics. I'd categorically say that focusing that sort of person on sports is by far the lesser of the two evils. Democracy only chooses as wisely as the average intelligence of its voters.
      - 1y ago
dakiol 1y ago
Didn't one of the major ISPs in Spain go down like a weeek ago (movistar) and that caused some emergency numbers to not function properly for some time? I wouldn't be surprised if critical (digital) infrastructure would rely on Cloudflare. If Liga is banning blocks of IP addresses without distinction, then anyone is at the mercy of being shutted down in Spain.
gmuslera 1y ago
In a globalized internet, your health institutions websites may run through, or depend on (i.e. 3rd party sites, js dependencies, etc) going through Cloudflare. Or emergency services, or whatever. With enough players you go from a side possibility to a certainty.
- hirako2000 1y ago
  Cloud flare even offers a CDN for npm libraries. it feels like incapable "experts" are placed in position or authority for something like this to happen.
  - ipaddr 1y ago
    Why would anyone use a cloudflare js cdn for anything but a toy site? Those are bad decisions by developers.
    - arielcostas 1y ago
      They are, but that doesn't mean it's their fault when websites fail because LaLiga decided to block an entire ISP. That's pure victim blaming. "Oh, what did you expect when you rely on a third party and another company wields the power of blocking anything without a specific court order?"
      - gardenhedge 1y ago
        Huh? It is their fault though. They chose to rely on a third party service that they don't own and had no mitigation for when it failed.
        hirako2000 1y ago
        Sure using a different domain has come to being bad practice for security and performance reasons, nonetheless fetching libs from CDNs including cloudflare remains prevalent. Even if they would make a move that is slower than takedowns.
Fokamul 1y ago
Who let laws, which allows IP blocking, to pass?
- deleted 1y ago
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TacticalCoder 1y ago
> I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power LaLiga is capable of wielding. It's not even about the power. It's about how freaking dumb of a "solution" that is. It's not "you're too powerful" (la liga and the judges enforcing this) but really "you're too fucking dumb".
- quesera 1y ago
  BTW, your account seems to have been shadowbanned for the last 4 months. You might want to reach out to the moderation team.
Yeul 1y ago
Football clubs have a billion euro budget nowadays. Sport is business. Where does FC Barcelona get their money from? The tooth fairy?

I live in Spain, while I find the whole "life-threatening" narrative a tad overblown: I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power LaLiga is capable of wielding.

qoez 1y ago

[flagged]

6510 1y ago
They can still do emergency broadcasts, if elon approves.
ethbr1 1y ago
The fact that it's stupid doesn't make it untrue. Under-resourced public sector entities often reach for the easiest solutions: Facebook and Twitter. Consequently, those channels are a major portion of their disaster communication plans. If services don't want to assume the responsibilities of being critical utilities, then they shouldn't work so hard to establish monopolies.
- foobarchu 1y ago
  In this case cloud flare is clearly willing to be the responsible party and has acknowledged that blocking them instead of requesting takedowns is the issue. Who are you chastising?
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    The post I was replying to > It reminds me of when they fear mongered about lives being at risk when twitter was down Where, yes, Twitter and Facebook and Cloudflare do have responsibilities to the public.

lnxg33k1 1y ago

Also Serie A, in Italy we had people losing everything this winter due to floods, and clubs were still trying to not postpone matches, it's so crap that there are so many people following football

afarah1 1y ago
In Brazil it is not uncommon for fans to organize protests, sometimes violent, when a club starts performing poorly due to perceived slack on the players. At the same time, seemingly more pressing political issues often go unnoticed. It's beyond me how some people get more riled up by the sport, not being a sports person myself.
- hirako2000 1y ago
  It's designed for this purpose. Rome was organizing those games to thrill the romans, it worked splendid. When political concerns gets on the rise, you pump the show. It works better than your typical propaganda as players become heroes, managers and clubs make great money. Distributors get their cut. The machine is well oiled with solid monetary incentives. Football (and other sports watching): cheap but deep rooted emotions, press here to get your dose.
  - eej71 1y ago
    _Rollerball_ a movie from 1975 (not the 2002 remake) is an interesting take on this. A futuristic society that promotes an increasingly violent game to entertain and misdirect the masses.
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    Look at it the other way -- absent sports fanaticism, people with these personality traits would be involved in politics. I'd categorically say that focusing that sort of person on sports is by far the lesser of the two evils. Democracy only chooses as wisely as the average intelligence of its voters.
    - 1y ago

dakiol 1y ago

Didn't one of the major ISPs in Spain go down like a weeek ago (movistar) and that caused some emergency numbers to not function properly for some time? I wouldn't be surprised if critical (digital) infrastructure would rely on Cloudflare. If Liga is banning blocks of IP addresses without distinction, then anyone is at the mercy of being shutted down in Spain.

gmuslera 1y ago

In a globalized internet, your health institutions websites may run through, or depend on (i.e. 3rd party sites, js dependencies, etc) going through Cloudflare. Or emergency services, or whatever. With enough players you go from a side possibility to a certainty.

hirako2000 1y ago
Cloud flare even offers a CDN for npm libraries. it feels like incapable "experts" are placed in position or authority for something like this to happen.
- ipaddr 1y ago
  Why would anyone use a cloudflare js cdn for anything but a toy site? Those are bad decisions by developers.
  - arielcostas 1y ago
    They are, but that doesn't mean it's their fault when websites fail because LaLiga decided to block an entire ISP. That's pure victim blaming. "Oh, what did you expect when you rely on a third party and another company wields the power of blocking anything without a specific court order?"
    - gardenhedge 1y ago
      Huh? It is their fault though. They chose to rely on a third party service that they don't own and had no mitigation for when it failed.
      - hirako2000 1y ago
        Sure using a different domain has come to being bad practice for security and performance reasons, nonetheless fetching libs from CDNs including cloudflare remains prevalent. Even if they would make a move that is slower than takedowns.

Fokamul 1y ago

Who let laws, which allows IP blocking, to pass?

deleted 1y ago
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TacticalCoder 1y ago

> I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power LaLiga is capable of wielding. It's not even about the power. It's about how freaking dumb of a "solution" that is. It's not "you're too powerful" (la liga and the judges enforcing this) but really "you're too fucking dumb".

quesera 1y ago
BTW, your account seems to have been shadowbanned for the last 4 months. You might want to reach out to the moderation team.

Yeul 1y ago

Football clubs have a billion euro budget nowadays. Sport is business. Where does FC Barcelona get their money from? The tooth fairy?