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Funny how copyright infringement has made a come back in AI and it's somehow a bad thing. What happened to all of the pirates fighting for our right to not pay

Funny how copyright infringement has made a come back in AI and it's somehow a bad thing. What happened to all of the pirates fighting for our right to not pay for anything?

thaumiel 1y ago
From what I remember that was never the issue people was fighting for. It was more about the right to own what you payed for and bought, and the right to create a copy of it for yourself. Which still are a big issue. Why do I get to keep a physical book for as long as I want, but when I "buy" a digital book it is only a license.
- didntcheck 1y ago
  That's a generous recollection. The right to create private backups was generally a very small part of people's arguments. Most discussions tended to be about justify torrenting media that they never owned, nor had any real intention of paying for
mathgradthrow 1y ago
No one has ever taken the philosophical position that they have the right to sell someone else's work as their own.
- olddustytrail 1y ago
  That's literally the entire foundation of Capitalism. Working for yourself, and selling what you produce yourself, is called Cottage Industry and is what Capitalism replaced.
  - techpineapple 1y ago
    I didn’t know that OpenAI employed all of the artists that they were training models in. Problem solved!
    - olddustytrail 1y ago
      They don't and I never said they did. And even if they did, would one company being the sole employer of artists and paying them minimum wage, really be "problem solved"? It seems people don't like the reality of where we currently are . Don't shoot the messenger!
AlecSchueler 1y ago
I'm as big a believer in IP reform as someone could be but the current situation is that regular people still have to follow the rules, the artists themselves still have to follow the rules, while big businesses with endless VC funding get to ignore them. If it was the same for everyone I would have much less problem with this but it's the glaring disparity in how different parties are expected to behave that is truly repugnant.
opan 1y ago
I don't like AI and I don't like copyright, but if I had to pick, I would definitely prefer copyright die out as it has more of a personal impact on me and my interests than AI does. Emulators and game projects getting threatened and/or shut down is a real shame. It takes some of the magic out of the world of software when we have to worry about this stuff. I do tend to use free as in freedom software, but proprietary software still manages to have an unfortunate presence around me.

Funny how copyright infringement has made a come back in AI and it's somehow a bad thing. What happened to all of the pirates fighting for our right to not pay for anything?

thaumiel 1y ago

From what I remember that was never the issue people was fighting for. It was more about the right to own what you payed for and bought, and the right to create a copy of it for yourself. Which still are a big issue. Why do I get to keep a physical book for as long as I want, but when I "buy" a digital book it is only a license.

didntcheck 1y ago
That's a generous recollection. The right to create private backups was generally a very small part of people's arguments. Most discussions tended to be about justify torrenting media that they never owned, nor had any real intention of paying for

mathgradthrow 1y ago

No one has ever taken the philosophical position that they have the right to sell someone else's work as their own.

olddustytrail 1y ago
That's literally the entire foundation of Capitalism. Working for yourself, and selling what you produce yourself, is called Cottage Industry and is what Capitalism replaced.
- techpineapple 1y ago
  I didn’t know that OpenAI employed all of the artists that they were training models in. Problem solved!
  - olddustytrail 1y ago
    They don't and I never said they did. And even if they did, would one company being the sole employer of artists and paying them minimum wage, really be "problem solved"? It seems people don't like the reality of where we currently are . Don't shoot the messenger!

AlecSchueler 1y ago

I'm as big a believer in IP reform as someone could be but the current situation is that regular people still have to follow the rules, the artists themselves still have to follow the rules, while big businesses with endless VC funding get to ignore them. If it was the same for everyone I would have much less problem with this but it's the glaring disparity in how different parties are expected to behave that is truly repugnant.

opan 1y ago

I don't like AI and I don't like copyright, but if I had to pick, I would definitely prefer copyright die out as it has more of a personal impact on me and my interests than AI does. Emulators and game projects getting threatened and/or shut down is a real shame. It takes some of the magic out of the world of software when we have to worry about this stuff. I do tend to use free as in freedom software, but proprietary software still manages to have an unfortunate presence around me.