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I think OP was saying that it's riskier for OTHERS in traffic - which should be the main thing with reissuing a drivers license. Like motorcycles are orders of

I think OP was saying that it's riskier for OTHERS in traffic - which should be the main thing with reissuing a drivers license. Like motorcycles are orders of magnitude higher risk for (including fatal) accidents - but they aren't as dangerous for other traffic participants so they get licensed. If motorcycles were killing orders of magnitude more pedestrians or other traffic participants than cars they would get banned immediately.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> OP was saying that it's riskier for OTHERS in traffic - which should be the main thing with reissuing a drivers license My point is whether it’s others who are dying is irrelevant. We have evidence of increased mortality with age for driving. I’m not seeing similar evidence for roofing. If geriatric roofers were constantly falling to their deaths, we’d see a movement to regulate them, even if they’re falling on flowers and not people.
- 8fingerlouie 1y ago
  I think part of the reason that we don’t have those numbers is that there is in general not that many geriatric roofers, or geriatric craftsmen for that matter. Most physical crafts takes a toll on the body, and while it has gotten a lot better in recent decades with machines doing most of the heavy lifting, the people retiring now will still have decades of bad lifting and old injuries. I think only farmers have a higher incident rate than craftsmen. Every single craftsman I know have abandoned their craft for something else because of body issues or injuries. Also, you’re nowhere as nimble at 50, 60 or 70 as you were when you were 20 or 30, so the risk of work related accidents increases, assuming you’re still doing the same tasks.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > part of the reason that we don’t have those numbers is that there is in general not that many geriatric roofers, or geriatric craftsmen for that matter This is a good hypothesis. Whatever the reason, I see no evidence for old roofers causing death or injury to anyone, including themselves. There is zero hypocrisy in regulating old drivers while being laxer with old roofers.
- HDThoreaun 1y ago
  Of course it’s relevant. If geriatric roofers want to risk their life that’s up to them. They don’t get to risk others lives though.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > If geriatric roofers want to risk their life that’s up to them. They don’t get to risk others lives though Nice theory. Doesn’t work in practice. Most societies are not okay with people taking excessive risks, even if it only impacts them. It’s why we require seatbelts even for single-occupant vehicles.
    - Enginerrrd 1y ago
      That attitude is a very recent phenomenon and may not be as widely supported and obvious as you seem to believe. I for one use seat belts, and I want them to be required to be manufactured in vehicles, but I believe it should be a personal choice whether or not you wear them.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> OP was saying that it's riskier for OTHERS in traffic - which should be the main thing with reissuing a drivers license My point is whether it’s others who are dying is irrelevant. We have evidence of increased mortality with age for driving. I’m not seeing similar evidence for roofing. If geriatric roofers were constantly falling to their deaths, we’d see a movement to regulate them, even if they’re falling on flowers and not people.

8fingerlouie 1y ago
I think part of the reason that we don’t have those numbers is that there is in general not that many geriatric roofers, or geriatric craftsmen for that matter. Most physical crafts takes a toll on the body, and while it has gotten a lot better in recent decades with machines doing most of the heavy lifting, the people retiring now will still have decades of bad lifting and old injuries. I think only farmers have a higher incident rate than craftsmen. Every single craftsman I know have abandoned their craft for something else because of body issues or injuries. Also, you’re nowhere as nimble at 50, 60 or 70 as you were when you were 20 or 30, so the risk of work related accidents increases, assuming you’re still doing the same tasks.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > part of the reason that we don’t have those numbers is that there is in general not that many geriatric roofers, or geriatric craftsmen for that matter This is a good hypothesis. Whatever the reason, I see no evidence for old roofers causing death or injury to anyone, including themselves. There is zero hypocrisy in regulating old drivers while being laxer with old roofers.
HDThoreaun 1y ago
Of course it’s relevant. If geriatric roofers want to risk their life that’s up to them. They don’t get to risk others lives though.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > If geriatric roofers want to risk their life that’s up to them. They don’t get to risk others lives though Nice theory. Doesn’t work in practice. Most societies are not okay with people taking excessive risks, even if it only impacts them. It’s why we require seatbelts even for single-occupant vehicles.
  - Enginerrrd 1y ago
    That attitude is a very recent phenomenon and may not be as widely supported and obvious as you seem to believe. I for one use seat belts, and I want them to be required to be manufactured in vehicles, but I believe it should be a personal choice whether or not you wear them.