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I generally agree with your comment though I'm not sure what underemployment in philosophy even looks like. (And I could probably say the same of a lot of liber

by ghaff 1y ago

I generally agree with your comment though I'm not sure what underemployment in philosophy even looks like. (And I could probably say the same of a lot of liberal arts.) Yes, it's not working at McDonald's But it could mean not making a whole lot more working at a publishing house.

shagie 1y ago
Underemployment is working at a job that doesn't require that degree. https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:faq https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:... > What is your definition of underemployment? > The definition of underemployment is based on the kinds of jobs held by college graduates. A college graduate working in a job that typically does not require a college degree is considered underemployed. This analysis uses survey data from the U.S. Department of Labor’s Occupational Information Network (O*NET) Education and Training Questionnaire to help determine whether a bachelor’s degree is required to perform a job. The articles cited above describe the approach in detail. > Some additional research that utilizes these data include “Working as a Barista After College Is Not as Common as You Might Think” (Liberty Street Economics). https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2016/01/working-as-a-barista-after-college-is-not-as-common-as-you-might-think/ https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2016/01/workin...
- ghaff 1y ago
  I read it as a little more general than that. >A college graduate working in a job that typically does not require a college degree is considered underemployed. So, it's not just about philosophy majors working in a job that doesn't require a philosophy degree but about any college grad working in a job that doesn't require a degree--which according to this thread presumably includes developer jobs but that's a bit of a stretch :-) given that it often requires a degree.
  - shagie 1y ago
    My read on it is that it doesn't require that degree. Working in a job that requires a college degree (but doesn't care what it is) would be underemployed for anyone with a degree... even though it requires a degree. The "does it require a degree" is likely based on the BLS definition for the job... even if people say that you can get it without. Developer - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... Computer support - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/computer-support-specialists.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... Food server - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/food-preparation-and-serving/food-and-beverage-serving-and-related-workers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/food-preparation-and-serving/food-an...

by ghaff 1y ago

shagie 1y ago

Underemployment is working at a job that doesn't require that degree. https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:faq https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:... > What is your definition of underemployment? > The definition of underemployment is based on the kinds of jobs held by college graduates. A college graduate working in a job that typically does not require a college degree is considered underemployed. This analysis uses survey data from the U.S. Department of Labor’s Occupational Information Network (O*NET) Education and Training Questionnaire to help determine whether a bachelor’s degree is required to perform a job. The articles cited above describe the approach in detail. > Some additional research that utilizes these data include “Working as a Barista After College Is Not as Common as You Might Think” (Liberty Street Economics). https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2016/01/working-as-a-barista-after-college-is-not-as-common-as-you-might-think/ https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2016/01/workin...

ghaff 1y ago
I read it as a little more general than that. >A college graduate working in a job that typically does not require a college degree is considered underemployed. So, it's not just about philosophy majors working in a job that doesn't require a philosophy degree but about any college grad working in a job that doesn't require a degree--which according to this thread presumably includes developer jobs but that's a bit of a stretch :-) given that it often requires a degree.
- shagie 1y ago
  My read on it is that it doesn't require that degree. Working in a job that requires a college degree (but doesn't care what it is) would be underemployed for anyone with a degree... even though it requires a degree. The "does it require a degree" is likely based on the BLS definition for the job... even if people say that you can get it without. Developer - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... Computer support - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/computer-support-specialists.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... Food server - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/food-preparation-and-serving/food-and-beverage-serving-and-related-workers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/food-preparation-and-serving/food-an...