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In Denmark, you also have to have a medical exam to maintain your drivers license after you turn 70, but they have no problem with carpenters running around on
by 8fingerlouie 1y ago
In Denmark, you also have to have a medical exam to maintain your drivers license after you turn 70, but they have no problem with carpenters running around on roofs until they're 74.
- JelteF 1y agoThere's a huge difference between endangering other people vs endangering only yourself.
- micromacrofoot 1y agoyou've clearly never been fallen upon by a septuagenarian roofer
- 8fingerlouie 1y agoYeah, it's not like operating heavy equipment at a construction site will ever endanger anyone.
- stevenhuang 1y agoYes, doing so at a construction site it is considerably less dangerous to society in general than public roads. Not to mention the individual is more likely implied to be operating at some baseline of function (observed by foreman and others at the work site) which is not the case when a private individual is just driving on public roads. You are straining credulity.
- eloisant 1y agoThe carpenter isn't endangering himself, he's being endangered by his employer (and the politicians who voted for that retirement age)
- esseph 1y agoWell you normally don't kill someone else if you fall off a roof. Running a car at highway speeds into something or someone else has a much higher chance of injuring or killing multiple people besides the driver.
- 8fingerlouie 1y agoSo that's the plan ? Make sure enough people die before reaching retirement age ? My point is, if you're unfit to drive a vehicle due to cognitive or physical decline, you're probably also unfit for most jobs involving those skills, and yet you have to soldier on for 4 more years. What happens when they're putting a new roof on a building next to a crowded street, and the 73 year old carpenter drops a bunch of tiles to the ground 6 floors below ? or he falls and slips off, taking another colleague with him ? Or he simply operates heavy machinery somewhere and gets caught in it.
- epoxia 1y agoYou can concoct these make believe hypotheticals, or you can look at countries where this is the reality (South Korea; high elderly poverty), and how there is no "elderly employee accident crisis". Whether it is right, moral, just etc. is the issue. I would just say to not wait until retirement to "live your life".
- 8fingerlouie 1y agoWhat does the unemployment statistics say about craftsmen in the age bracket 60-70 ? Or any other line of work ? Many craftsmen in Denmark are working contracts where they get paid more the faster they finish the job, and nobody wants a 70 year old dragging down their hourly wage just because they can't keep up, so the 70 year old will just have to "keep up", either making mistakes along the way, or wearing out their already worn out bodies some more. There are options for "early" retirement at 70, provided you've spent 46 years employed. That means you started working at 24 at the very latest, and was not unemployed for longer periods. Saving up for your own retirement is also hard with low to medium income wages in a country where you pay 40-50% income tax, 25% sales tax and retirement funds are taxed at deposit (meaning capital gains will be lower).
- throwaway2037 1y ago> South Korea; high elderly poverty It is interesting that you selected South Korea as your example. There are as rich as Japan, but have much worse social benefits, including national pension. I don't understand why.
- LightHugger 1y agoThat makes perfect sense though?
- scandinavian 1y agoThat requirement was removed in 2017 by the right wing government at the time. It was a populist move to secure the elderly vote.