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Where I live, people have issues getting hired past age 50, and it’s near impossible past age 60. It’s a stroke of luck if you score a job then. So yes they can
by manmal 1y ago
Where I live, people have issues getting hired past age 50, and it’s near impossible past age 60. It’s a stroke of luck if you score a job then. So yes they can raise retirement age, but that will just create misery for all those who can’t cling to a job long enough. There‘s got to be a better way.
- Robotbeat 1y agoPart of the reason employees are reticent to hire someone past 50 is before they worry they’ll retire soon, even if they’re mentally and physically in good shape. So increasing the retirement age might actually improve the ability of folks in their 50s to find work. Not saying this is a great trend, but it’s unavoidable due to the low fertility rate (already a problem everywhere in the developed world and soon to be a problem the world over, as by 2050–before I retire—the global average total fertility rate will have dropped below replacement.).
- manmal 1y agoWe already have 15y to go here, at age 50. That’s WAY longer than the median occupancy.
- generic92034 1y agoAlso, large companies go out of their way to offer early retirement packages to their workforce, often starting even with 55 year old employees. That does not fit the expectation of people working till they are 70. Politics and employer orgs need to talk about that.
- tikhonj 1y agoCompanies that have an average churn of more than 7%—which is most of them—have no place worrying about some 50-year-old retiring. Not that that stops managers, of course...
- hn_throwaway_99 1y agoI don't buy this at all. I've hired many people in my career, and: 1. I've never had more than a max 2 year time horizon when thinking about a hire. 2. If anything, I've found younger people more likely to job hop than those 40+.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoThis might not be the case for your hiring principles, but this doesn't reflect the reality and statistics in my European country. People after 50 have a near zero chance of getting hired here as confirmed by the unemployment office.
- karaterobot 1y agoI didn't see them say it's not harder getting hired over age 50, I think they're questioning that the reason is really job hopping.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoEmployers will never say what the real reason is because they don't want to get sued for age discrimination.
- therealdrag0 1y agoWe’re on an anonymous forum. Many of us make hiring decisions, and are willing to be honest about it.
- hn_throwaway_99 1y agoI responded to a comment that said the reason getting hired over 50 is difficult is because employers are reluctant to hire someone who may retire soon. I objected to that rationale, which makes no sense IMO. I have no doubt that getting hired over 50 is more difficult than for younger people.
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- itsoktocry 1y agoYoung people today job hop like there's no tomorrow.
- brailsafe 1y agoYoung people today can't get jobs, this take seems a couple years out of date
- mcv 1y agoWhat do you mean by "young"? I'm 51.
- xboxnolifes 1y agoCompanies today get rid of employees like there is no tomorrow.
- arexxbifs 1y ago> (...) the global average total fertility rate will have dropped below replacement. My pet theory is that when the system becomes untenable, procreation slows down, which will in time trigger a kind of reset - not that it's going to be fun to live through or anything. Self-regulation.
- therealdrag0 1y agoThat’s not a plausible theory to me. IME older people are just less likely to work hard. They bring a “rest n vest” mindset. If an older person rounds a 40hr week down to 35 hrs, and a younger person rounds up to 45 hours because they are passionate and ambitious, all else equal the younger get person is better ROI for the team. Obviously this is stereotyping and may not be accurate but that sentiment can explain many decisions.
- lurking_swe 1y agodepends on the type of work you’re doing. “Work smart not hard” can apply to many jobs. Other jobs not so much… In addition - when i was a younger engineer i appreciated have a few older engineers around the office because they were always a wealth of knowledge.
- gorharcarme 1y ago> they worry they’ll retire soon Sorry but how is this different from hiring someone in their 20s and they are very likely to job hop to another company 1 / 2 years later ? I don't think anyone will believe this.
- 8fingerlouie 1y agoIn Denmark, you also have to have a medical exam to maintain your drivers license after you turn 70, but they have no problem with carpenters running around on roofs until they're 74.
- JelteF 1y agoThere's a huge difference between endangering other people vs endangering only yourself.
- micromacrofoot 1y agoyou've clearly never been fallen upon by a septuagenarian roofer
- 8fingerlouie 1y agoYeah, it's not like operating heavy equipment at a construction site will ever endanger anyone.
- stevenhuang 1y agoYes, doing so at a construction site it is considerably less dangerous to society in general than public roads. Not to mention the individual is more likely implied to be operating at some baseline of function (observed by foreman and others at the work site) which is not the case when a private individual is just driving on public roads. You are straining credulity.
- eloisant 1y agoThe carpenter isn't endangering himself, he's being endangered by his employer (and the politicians who voted for that retirement age)
- esseph 1y agoWell you normally don't kill someone else if you fall off a roof. Running a car at highway speeds into something or someone else has a much higher chance of injuring or killing multiple people besides the driver.
- cmurf 1y agoShorten lifespan. Cut all things that promote or enable public health. In neo-feudalism, only lords and perhaps some of their most favored serfs, deserve private for profit health care, and the barrier to entry is cost. Why be wealthy if you can’t buy things other people can’t? There’s always a surplus of peasants in this model.
- gopher_space 1y agoWhen people talk about raising the retirement age the assumption is that the people affected will all be unemployed, not that they'd still work in some capacity.
- missedthecue 1y agoYou won't work in your career field at that age unless you have profound skill and expertise. You will put cans on grocery store shelves.