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It's happening everywhere, and it's completely intentional.

by agilob 1y ago

1oooqooq 1y ago
happening everywhere, except Cuba.
- autobodie 1y ago
  Yes, against all odds, Cuba has a great surpous of doctors. How do they do it, I wonder!?!?!?!?!?! (it has something to do with profit)
  - LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
    I'd call this soft power projection by medical means. Which is absolutely OK IMO, compared to lets say producing AK-47, or meddling in other countries internal affairs, invading and destroying them, and whatnot else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_School_of_Medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_School_of_Medic... A recent form of profit seems to be offering cheap treatment/medical tourism https://www.cubamundomedico.com/en/university-of-medical-sciences-of-havana https://www.cubamundomedico.com/en/university-of-medical-sci... Seems impractical for USians, though.
    - autobodie 1y ago
      I think you're overcomplicating things. Castro was very vocal about medical care being a top proority during and after the revolution. There's no coincidence or conspiracy. When you try to build a society around human needs instead of capital needs, you end up with different priorities. It's that simple. If anyone thinks they're making the big bucks and accumulating "soft power" by training a bunch of doctors then selling treatments to Americans for cheap, I'm not sure they can be helped.
      - LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
        Yah. Maybe I can't be helped. Shrug. I got aware of this, I don't know exactly when anymore, has to be about 15 years ago now, or even longer. I wondered about why there were almost always cuban medics, doctors, nurses etc. in action, when there has been some larger catastropic event in the world, and you could see them in the media. Why is that, I thought? That doesn't fit being sanctioned by the US(and vassals), being poor in general, and so on. That's how I became aware of ELAM. And made up my mind the way I described. Can't help it :-)
        autobodie 1y ago
        > Why is that, I thought? That doesn't fit being sanctioned by the US(and vassals), being poor in general, and so on. I think the word for that is capitalist realism. You cannot imagine a motive beyond calitalist logic, but that doesn't mean nobody else can. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism
        LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
        Maybe I should have written Why is that? According to the picture mainstream media is projecting, this shouldn't be, because they can't afford it? I'd feel offended if the YOU in "You cannot imagine a motive beyond calitalist logic, but that doesn't mean nobody else can." was addressed to me, personally. Or was it just meant as a general description of the concept?
  - jdietrich 1y ago
    >How do they do it, I wonder! It's easy to have really good health outcomes at really low cost if you just fabricate the data. It's easy to export lots of doctors if you force them to work abroad, force them to pay most of their salary to the government and hold their families hostage to ensure compliance. https://academic.oup.com/heapol/article/33/6/755/5035051 https://academic.oup.com/heapol/article/33/6/755/5035051 https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/07/23/cuba-repressive-rules-doctors-working-abroad https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/07/23/cuba-repressive-rules-do...
    - autobodie 1y ago
      How is there a market for these unskilled slave doctors?
  - dralley 1y ago
    It's difficult to understand your point given how this was written. However, it's worth pointing out that the Cuban doctor export scheme is, in fact, very profitable to the Cuban government. Much less so to the doctors themselves, which frequently have to work in what amounts to conditions of indentured servitude. And they have no other option, as working as a domestic doctor in Cuba typically pays less than being a taxi driver.
    - autobodie 1y ago
      Why is there a market for these slave doctors?
      - dralley 1y ago
        Because impoverished South American nations don't have a lot of other options?
        autobodie 1y ago
        One has to wonder why they don't just copy the Cuban model of having a surplus of their own slave doctors, especially given the supposed immense profit potential! To be honest, I'm not convinced of your explanation.

It's happening everywhere, and it's completely intentional.

by agilob 1y ago

It's happening everywhere, and it's completely intentional.

1oooqooq 1y ago

happening everywhere, except Cuba.

autobodie 1y ago
Yes, against all odds, Cuba has a great surpous of doctors. How do they do it, I wonder!?!?!?!?!?! (it has something to do with profit)
- LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
  I'd call this soft power projection by medical means. Which is absolutely OK IMO, compared to lets say producing AK-47, or meddling in other countries internal affairs, invading and destroying them, and whatnot else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_School_of_Medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_School_of_Medic... A recent form of profit seems to be offering cheap treatment/medical tourism https://www.cubamundomedico.com/en/university-of-medical-sciences-of-havana https://www.cubamundomedico.com/en/university-of-medical-sci... Seems impractical for USians, though.
  - autobodie 1y ago
    I think you're overcomplicating things. Castro was very vocal about medical care being a top proority during and after the revolution. There's no coincidence or conspiracy. When you try to build a society around human needs instead of capital needs, you end up with different priorities. It's that simple. If anyone thinks they're making the big bucks and accumulating "soft power" by training a bunch of doctors then selling treatments to Americans for cheap, I'm not sure they can be helped.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
      Yah. Maybe I can't be helped. Shrug. I got aware of this, I don't know exactly when anymore, has to be about 15 years ago now, or even longer. I wondered about why there were almost always cuban medics, doctors, nurses etc. in action, when there has been some larger catastropic event in the world, and you could see them in the media. Why is that, I thought? That doesn't fit being sanctioned by the US(and vassals), being poor in general, and so on. That's how I became aware of ELAM. And made up my mind the way I described. Can't help it :-)
      - autobodie 1y ago
        > Why is that, I thought? That doesn't fit being sanctioned by the US(and vassals), being poor in general, and so on. I think the word for that is capitalist realism. You cannot imagine a motive beyond calitalist logic, but that doesn't mean nobody else can. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism
        LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
        Maybe I should have written Why is that? According to the picture mainstream media is projecting, this shouldn't be, because they can't afford it? I'd feel offended if the YOU in "You cannot imagine a motive beyond calitalist logic, but that doesn't mean nobody else can." was addressed to me, personally. Or was it just meant as a general description of the concept?
- jdietrich 1y ago
  >How do they do it, I wonder! It's easy to have really good health outcomes at really low cost if you just fabricate the data. It's easy to export lots of doctors if you force them to work abroad, force them to pay most of their salary to the government and hold their families hostage to ensure compliance. https://academic.oup.com/heapol/article/33/6/755/5035051 https://academic.oup.com/heapol/article/33/6/755/5035051 https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/07/23/cuba-repressive-rules-doctors-working-abroad https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/07/23/cuba-repressive-rules-do...
  - autobodie 1y ago
    How is there a market for these unskilled slave doctors?
- dralley 1y ago
  It's difficult to understand your point given how this was written. However, it's worth pointing out that the Cuban doctor export scheme is, in fact, very profitable to the Cuban government. Much less so to the doctors themselves, which frequently have to work in what amounts to conditions of indentured servitude. And they have no other option, as working as a domestic doctor in Cuba typically pays less than being a taxi driver.
  - autobodie 1y ago
    Why is there a market for these slave doctors?
    - dralley 1y ago
      Because impoverished South American nations don't have a lot of other options?
      - autobodie 1y ago
        One has to wonder why they don't just copy the Cuban model of having a surplus of their own slave doctors, especially given the supposed immense profit potential! To be honest, I'm not convinced of your explanation.