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What's stopping us from implementing holo style 3d displays like in the movies? Star-Trek etc. Are we not there yet?? alternatively, what about VR? we could

What's stopping us from implementing holo style 3d displays like in the movies? Star-Trek etc. Are we not there yet?? alternatively, what about VR? we could virtually project the traffic controllers out into space like silver-surfer or ironman right(pov of course)? I'm not an expert, but it seems we need a better UX/UI right?

alephnerd 1y ago
> but it seems we need a better UX/UI right? Wrong. It's the fact that the FAA has $5.2B in outstanding repairs but only $1.7B allocated for repair. On top of that, the GS pay scale penalizes federal employees in high CoL areas. Both are very difficult problems to solve, as the former means dramatically increasing the FAA's budget (which is tiny for the scope of responsibility it has across North America), and the latter means completely reforming the General Schedule. On top of that, Congress constantly meddles with the FAA and DoT in general because it's the easiest way to get some quick wins for constituents. The FAA has been working on modernizing air traffic control, but that project won't be completed til 2030 at the earliest. Furthermore, the Northeast is a uniquely congested airspace with the massive number of airports and passengers.
- mschuster91 1y ago
  The budgetary questions are unrelated to UX/UI stagnation though. It's annoying how many modern web sites change their entire design framework once every two years, yes. But ATC? Aeronautics in general? Most of maritime? Once it's certified, it's practically ossified - and for good reason. Bad UI/UX can literally kill [1]. Nevertheless, I think it's worth having the debate - and that led by actual air traffic controllers, please - if and if yes, how, UX/UI can be improved. [1] https://uxmovement.com/buttons/how-an-interface-mode-killed-10-sailors/ https://uxmovement.com/buttons/how-an-interface-mode-killed-...
  - alephnerd 1y ago
    On the hierarchy of needs, it's a much lower priority than actually investing in solving maintenance related problems that are the primary cause of the Newark ATC related issues.
    - mschuster91 1y ago
      Sure, sure, but this can and should be done in parallel.
  - saulpw 1y ago
    I don't believe the user's primary complaint is the UI of their devices. Why should they take time out of their overworked schedules to have a debate they aren't already having?
    - bzmrgonz 1y ago
      Well for starters, perhaps an easier visual interface would increase interest among young people into considering ATC career. It's kind of like how the world is considering streamlining the medical fields and pairing AI with medical students and maintaining that pairing into their careers. The idea being that by modernizing the requirements, medical practice will become more appealing. Remember when calculators were banned in schoolS? Same is happening with careers which traditionally relied on mentally amassing large BOKs(body of knowledge).
dehrmann 1y ago
> I'm not an expert, but it seems we need a better UX/UI right? This isn't where the problem is. It's system reliability, increased air traffic, and increased controller workload.
plorkyeran 1y ago
Are you aware that many things depicted in movies do not actually exist?
heraldgeezer 1y ago
>but it seems we need a better UX/UI right? No, you sound like a middle-manager. Talk to cashiers. They all want terminal DOS based systems where keyboard is king. It's the fastest once you learn it.

alephnerd 1y ago

> but it seems we need a better UX/UI right? Wrong. It's the fact that the FAA has $5.2B in outstanding repairs but only $1.7B allocated for repair. On top of that, the GS pay scale penalizes federal employees in high CoL areas. Both are very difficult problems to solve, as the former means dramatically increasing the FAA's budget (which is tiny for the scope of responsibility it has across North America), and the latter means completely reforming the General Schedule. On top of that, Congress constantly meddles with the FAA and DoT in general because it's the easiest way to get some quick wins for constituents. The FAA has been working on modernizing air traffic control, but that project won't be completed til 2030 at the earliest. Furthermore, the Northeast is a uniquely congested airspace with the massive number of airports and passengers.

mschuster91 1y ago
The budgetary questions are unrelated to UX/UI stagnation though. It's annoying how many modern web sites change their entire design framework once every two years, yes. But ATC? Aeronautics in general? Most of maritime? Once it's certified, it's practically ossified - and for good reason. Bad UI/UX can literally kill [1]. Nevertheless, I think it's worth having the debate - and that led by actual air traffic controllers, please - if and if yes, how, UX/UI can be improved. [1] https://uxmovement.com/buttons/how-an-interface-mode-killed-10-sailors/ https://uxmovement.com/buttons/how-an-interface-mode-killed-...
- alephnerd 1y ago
  On the hierarchy of needs, it's a much lower priority than actually investing in solving maintenance related problems that are the primary cause of the Newark ATC related issues.
  - mschuster91 1y ago
    Sure, sure, but this can and should be done in parallel.
- saulpw 1y ago
  I don't believe the user's primary complaint is the UI of their devices. Why should they take time out of their overworked schedules to have a debate they aren't already having?
  - bzmrgonz 1y ago
    Well for starters, perhaps an easier visual interface would increase interest among young people into considering ATC career. It's kind of like how the world is considering streamlining the medical fields and pairing AI with medical students and maintaining that pairing into their careers. The idea being that by modernizing the requirements, medical practice will become more appealing. Remember when calculators were banned in schoolS? Same is happening with careers which traditionally relied on mentally amassing large BOKs(body of knowledge).

dehrmann 1y ago

> I'm not an expert, but it seems we need a better UX/UI right? This isn't where the problem is. It's system reliability, increased air traffic, and increased controller workload.

plorkyeran 1y ago

Are you aware that many things depicted in movies do not actually exist?

heraldgeezer 1y ago

>but it seems we need a better UX/UI right? No, you sound like a middle-manager. Talk to cashiers. They all want terminal DOS based systems where keyboard is king. It's the fastest once you learn it.