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Even if that were the case, wouldn't whoever ended up owning it make a profit by sending it back for scrapping/parting out?

dylan604 1y ago
you have to do the math on shipping costs vs how much can be made. i'd venture its not profitable in a reasonable amount of time. you then have to have someone skilled to part it out. store the pieces. line up buyers. all of that comes at an expense.
- pfdietz 1y ago
  So, how much does shipping a ton 3 miles by water cost? The scrap value of a vehicle is maybe $200/ton (more if valuable parts can be salvaged.) Shipping by truck in the US costs somewhere around $0.10/ton-mile.
  - williamdclt 1y ago
    In most ports that would be worth it as there’s already established commerce routes that can transport vehicles. But there’s no vehicle-carrying ferry going to hydra. So you’d need to arrange one especially, which probably would cost a ton, certainly several thousands and I’d guess much more
    - pfdietz 1y ago
      Or, once sufficient junk has accumulated, a for-purpose boat could come over and transport the lot. Also, there must already be ways of getting garbage and construction debris out. I suspect the best approach would be a boat that would transport the stuff not three miles, but a longer distance to where scrap could be more easily handled. This would amortize loading/unloading costs over more miles. I would not be at all surprised if such centralized waste handling ports already existed; there are lots of islands there generating a constant stream of refuse.
HarryHirsch 1y ago
They haven't done it yet, which would indicate that it's complicated, where is the nearest scrap dealer that would take the stuff? The Eastern Peloponnese is thinly populated, the nearest town is Nauplion with ~ 20 k inhabitants, else there is always Athens. Now you have an interagency coordination problem, Hydra town council would have to get together with its counterpart in Athens, acquire the title, collect them, charter a ferry and lowbed truck at the destination and assemble a crew get rid of the junk. Until sufficient tourists complain it's not going to happen.

dylan604 1y ago

you have to do the math on shipping costs vs how much can be made. i'd venture its not profitable in a reasonable amount of time. you then have to have someone skilled to part it out. store the pieces. line up buyers. all of that comes at an expense.

pfdietz 1y ago
So, how much does shipping a ton 3 miles by water cost? The scrap value of a vehicle is maybe $200/ton (more if valuable parts can be salvaged.) Shipping by truck in the US costs somewhere around $0.10/ton-mile.
- williamdclt 1y ago
  In most ports that would be worth it as there’s already established commerce routes that can transport vehicles. But there’s no vehicle-carrying ferry going to hydra. So you’d need to arrange one especially, which probably would cost a ton, certainly several thousands and I’d guess much more
  - pfdietz 1y ago
    Or, once sufficient junk has accumulated, a for-purpose boat could come over and transport the lot. Also, there must already be ways of getting garbage and construction debris out. I suspect the best approach would be a boat that would transport the stuff not three miles, but a longer distance to where scrap could be more easily handled. This would amortize loading/unloading costs over more miles. I would not be at all surprised if such centralized waste handling ports already existed; there are lots of islands there generating a constant stream of refuse.

HarryHirsch 1y ago

They haven't done it yet, which would indicate that it's complicated, where is the nearest scrap dealer that would take the stuff? The Eastern Peloponnese is thinly populated, the nearest town is Nauplion with ~ 20 k inhabitants, else there is always Athens. Now you have an interagency coordination problem, Hydra town council would have to get together with its counterpart in Athens, acquire the title, collect them, charter a ferry and lowbed truck at the destination and assemble a crew get rid of the junk. Until sufficient tourists complain it's not going to happen.