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in free countries you're free to point out the corrupting influences of those you feel are corrupting research, and to do your own, and then disprove incorrect

in free countries you're free to point out the corrupting influences of those you feel are corrupting research, and to do your own, and then disprove incorrect things in Iran you don't say anything the Ayatollah disagrees with, or they kill you. Glory be to God. It's a false equivocance to say there is no difference simply because free countries aren't perfect, and because all people have biases

jaoane 1y ago
In free countries you still need funding to do research and they won’t give it to you if you want to study something they don’t want you to. The result is the same.
- dingnuts 1y ago
  In a free country there are a lot of "theys" with different views who might give you money, and you are also free to start a business and create your own wealth since private property is part of what makes a free country free. In a country like Iran "they" must, by law, be aligned with the Ayatollah. That's the difference. Free countries aren't perfect but at least the law gives these rights; in Iran they are explicitly given to the Church instead. You're making a patently absurd argument based on completely overblown cynicism
  - jaoane 1y ago
    If you do research independently without the backing of a prestigious university and/or corporation your research won’t be taken seriously and it will be impossible to have it published, which is as good as not doing it in the first place.
    - veidr 1y ago
      Each post of yours in this thread is doubling down on the false equivalence. The grievances you are expressing are real, but so trivial in magnitude relative to what you're comparing them to, that you sound absurd.
      - ath3nd 1y ago
        - No risk of cancer from smoking: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3490543/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3490543/ - Global warming isn't real, and if it is, definitely not caused by fossil fuels: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/18/the-forgotten-oil-ads-that-told-us-climate-change-was-nothing https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/18/the-forg... - PFAS are totally safe, trust DuPont https://time.com/6284266/pfas-forever-chemicals-manufacturers-kept-secret/ https://time.com/6284266/pfas-forever-chemicals-manufacturer... - Opioids are not addictive, in fact, you need more of them to "manage" your pain, trust us, Purdue Pharma, and our very reliable studies: https://journals.library.columbia.edu/index.php/bioethics/article/view/7786 https://journals.library.columbia.edu/index.php/bioethics/ar... Those fraudulent studies happened in "free" countries, sponsored by mega-corporations. And, if we are talking about Iranian repression, it's worth mentioning that in our "free" countries at the moment if you say the truth: that Israel is doing a genocide in Gaza, you can easily get arrested or worse (sometimes without due process). One could also argue that the heating/burning planet we are having right now, the toxic water runoff that can't be rid of forever chems are much more harmful for life on earth than some backwards religious fundamentalists that suppress any dissent in their backwards medieval country (Iran). ON the topic of religious fundamentalism, the US, instead of looking at Iran, should maybe worry about its very own rise of religious fundamentalism and rampant repression and dissent-squashing tactics of its own government. Can it be possible to do both: - Worry about the quality of questionable studies done in a repressed country like Iran - At the same time as doubting the veracity of corporate-sponsored studies done at the behest of all-powerful multinationals in "free" countries like the US.
        veidr 1y ago
        Yes... it can be possible to do both of those things, but it's not remotely possible to create any credible equivalency between, them: a.) your paper refuting those claims doesn't get widespread coverage b.) your paper refuting those claims gets you beaten to death on the streets, or imprisoned and totured to death in prison (or even just imprisoned and released some time later) This isn't even _good_ whataboutism
- Sabinus 1y ago
  The result is not the same. In free countries there are many 'they' that can fund research. And 'they' can fund it without fear of the government. It's not perfect but until we're post resource scarcity it's probably the best we can do.

jaoane 1y ago

In free countries you still need funding to do research and they won’t give it to you if you want to study something they don’t want you to. The result is the same.

dingnuts 1y ago
In a free country there are a lot of "theys" with different views who might give you money, and you are also free to start a business and create your own wealth since private property is part of what makes a free country free. In a country like Iran "they" must, by law, be aligned with the Ayatollah. That's the difference. Free countries aren't perfect but at least the law gives these rights; in Iran they are explicitly given to the Church instead. You're making a patently absurd argument based on completely overblown cynicism
- jaoane 1y ago
  If you do research independently without the backing of a prestigious university and/or corporation your research won’t be taken seriously and it will be impossible to have it published, which is as good as not doing it in the first place.
  - veidr 1y ago
    Each post of yours in this thread is doubling down on the false equivalence. The grievances you are expressing are real, but so trivial in magnitude relative to what you're comparing them to, that you sound absurd.
    - ath3nd 1y ago
      - No risk of cancer from smoking: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3490543/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3490543/ - Global warming isn't real, and if it is, definitely not caused by fossil fuels: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/18/the-forgotten-oil-ads-that-told-us-climate-change-was-nothing https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/18/the-forg... - PFAS are totally safe, trust DuPont https://time.com/6284266/pfas-forever-chemicals-manufacturers-kept-secret/ https://time.com/6284266/pfas-forever-chemicals-manufacturer... - Opioids are not addictive, in fact, you need more of them to "manage" your pain, trust us, Purdue Pharma, and our very reliable studies: https://journals.library.columbia.edu/index.php/bioethics/article/view/7786 https://journals.library.columbia.edu/index.php/bioethics/ar... Those fraudulent studies happened in "free" countries, sponsored by mega-corporations. And, if we are talking about Iranian repression, it's worth mentioning that in our "free" countries at the moment if you say the truth: that Israel is doing a genocide in Gaza, you can easily get arrested or worse (sometimes without due process). One could also argue that the heating/burning planet we are having right now, the toxic water runoff that can't be rid of forever chems are much more harmful for life on earth than some backwards religious fundamentalists that suppress any dissent in their backwards medieval country (Iran). ON the topic of religious fundamentalism, the US, instead of looking at Iran, should maybe worry about its very own rise of religious fundamentalism and rampant repression and dissent-squashing tactics of its own government. Can it be possible to do both: - Worry about the quality of questionable studies done in a repressed country like Iran - At the same time as doubting the veracity of corporate-sponsored studies done at the behest of all-powerful multinationals in "free" countries like the US.
      - veidr 1y ago
        Yes... it can be possible to do both of those things, but it's not remotely possible to create any credible equivalency between, them: a.) your paper refuting those claims doesn't get widespread coverage b.) your paper refuting those claims gets you beaten to death on the streets, or imprisoned and totured to death in prison (or even just imprisoned and released some time later) This isn't even _good_ whataboutism
Sabinus 1y ago
The result is not the same. In free countries there are many 'they' that can fund research. And 'they' can fund it without fear of the government. It's not perfect but until we're post resource scarcity it's probably the best we can do.