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I think there is a fundamental misconception of the benefit / performance-improvement of LLM-aided programming: Without sacrificing code quality, it only makes

I think there is a fundamental misconception of the benefit / performance-improvement of LLM-aided programming: Without sacrificing code quality, it only makes coding more productive _if you already know_ what you're doing. This means that while it has a big potential for experienced programmers (making them push out more good code), you cannot replace them by an army of code monkeys with LLMs and expect good software.

neom 1y ago
I keep reading this but I feel it really ignores gaussian, where are your lines? What is good enough for what where? What is the base level of already know? I'm churning out a web app for fun right now with a couple of second year comp sci students from Sri Lanka + LLMs, they charge me around $1000 a month and my friend who is a SRE at appl looks at the code every week, said it's quality, modern and scalable. I do think they're a bit slow, but I'm not looking for fast.
- philipwhiuk 1y ago
  You're paying $1000 a month to build a web app for fun? This seems like a crazy solution to a situation.
  - neom 1y ago
    ...wait till you find out how much my one friend spends on golf a year!!!!! Hobbies are expensive. This will take about 3 maybe 4 months, and I think i'll enjoy playing it with and so will all my friends and family, so it's worth it I think.
    - zeroonetwothree 1y ago
      Well… many hobbies are not that expensive. But sure, $1k/month for enjoyment is totally reasonable.
    - da02 1y ago
      What type of work does he do that allow him to spend on hobbies? (In other words, "What can I do to be wealthy like your friend?".)
nyarlathotep_ 1y ago
> you cannot replace them by an army of code monkeys with LLMs and expect good software. "Good" software only matters in narrow use cases--look at how much money and how many contracts companies like Deloitte and Accenture make/have. Sure, you can't "vibe" slop your way to a renderer for a AAA title, but the majority of F500s have no conception of quality and do not care nor know any "better."

neom 1y ago

I keep reading this but I feel it really ignores gaussian, where are your lines? What is good enough for what where? What is the base level of already know? I'm churning out a web app for fun right now with a couple of second year comp sci students from Sri Lanka + LLMs, they charge me around $1000 a month and my friend who is a SRE at appl looks at the code every week, said it's quality, modern and scalable. I do think they're a bit slow, but I'm not looking for fast.

philipwhiuk 1y ago
You're paying $1000 a month to build a web app for fun? This seems like a crazy solution to a situation.
- neom 1y ago
  ...wait till you find out how much my one friend spends on golf a year!!!!! Hobbies are expensive. This will take about 3 maybe 4 months, and I think i'll enjoy playing it with and so will all my friends and family, so it's worth it I think.
  - zeroonetwothree 1y ago
    Well… many hobbies are not that expensive. But sure, $1k/month for enjoyment is totally reasonable.
  - da02 1y ago
    What type of work does he do that allow him to spend on hobbies? (In other words, "What can I do to be wealthy like your friend?".)

nyarlathotep_ 1y ago

> you cannot replace them by an army of code monkeys with LLMs and expect good software. "Good" software only matters in narrow use cases--look at how much money and how many contracts companies like Deloitte and Accenture make/have. Sure, you can't "vibe" slop your way to a renderer for a AAA title, but the majority of F500s have no conception of quality and do not care nor know any "better."