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It seems new and unique, given that conferences (and scientists) are leaving?

by ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago

mlindner 1y ago
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- rcpt 1y ago
  Do you have some statistics? Because there really does seem to be a change in immigration enforcement lately and multiple universities have issued guidance accordingly.
ygjb 1y ago
You know how if you pile lots of flammable things in the corner of your garage and it's fine for years, and then a toddler strolls through with a book of matches, then suddenly you get a new and unique fire? The conferences and scientists leaving are the results of decades of policy undermining education and human rights, coupled with the rise of the alt-right, normalization of racism and misogyny, with a soupçon of neo-nazism that allowed a populist regime to rise to power. All of that was the pile of flammable things. The extrajudicial deportations, conferences and scientists leaving, and tourism crashing are the first tendrils of smoke rising in the corner. It's not too late for America to fix it.
- whatshisface 1y ago
  The system in the US is capable of running on nothing but hope because of the availability of lending and investment. "Unfortunately" that means the average person won't receive an impossible to ignore signal that something is going bad until bankers and investors lose hope. By that point, something would have had to have happened that can't be fixed in the short term by a reversal or a sudden period of sobriety. For a concrete example, the stock market is going up and down every time the tariff threats change tone, but the layoffs that the tariffs will make inevitable won't be done until companies run out of financiers who can be convinced the setbacks are only temporary.
illiac786 1y ago
I think the point is, people are leaving because it seems new to them, while it in fact is not. I’m not saying I agree, just clarifying the point of the previous comment.
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It seems new and unique, given that conferences (and scientists) are leaving?

mlindner 1y ago

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rcpt 1y ago
Do you have some statistics? Because there really does seem to be a change in immigration enforcement lately and multiple universities have issued guidance accordingly.

ygjb 1y ago

You know how if you pile lots of flammable things in the corner of your garage and it's fine for years, and then a toddler strolls through with a book of matches, then suddenly you get a new and unique fire? The conferences and scientists leaving are the results of decades of policy undermining education and human rights, coupled with the rise of the alt-right, normalization of racism and misogyny, with a soupçon of neo-nazism that allowed a populist regime to rise to power. All of that was the pile of flammable things. The extrajudicial deportations, conferences and scientists leaving, and tourism crashing are the first tendrils of smoke rising in the corner. It's not too late for America to fix it.

whatshisface 1y ago
The system in the US is capable of running on nothing but hope because of the availability of lending and investment. "Unfortunately" that means the average person won't receive an impossible to ignore signal that something is going bad until bankers and investors lose hope. By that point, something would have had to have happened that can't be fixed in the short term by a reversal or a sudden period of sobriety. For a concrete example, the stock market is going up and down every time the tariff threats change tone, but the layoffs that the tariffs will make inevitable won't be done until companies run out of financiers who can be convinced the setbacks are only temporary.

illiac786 1y ago

I think the point is, people are leaving because it seems new to them, while it in fact is not. I’m not saying I agree, just clarifying the point of the previous comment.

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