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Lets just say that maybe I have a slightly different recollection about that meeting ? :-)

by phkamp 14y ago

papsosouid 14y ago
"First talk was OpenBSD's wireless talk. Much rethoric about freedom and little appreciation for the way the world actually works, as opposed to how it looks like it works from the headquarters of OpenBSD. Asked directly if they thought they could defend their reverse engineering of for instance the Atheros HAL. The answer as I heard it was "Laws don't apply to us". I guess I'm not the right person to appreciate the valor of their crusade, but somehow their rethoric reminds me too much about Rote Arme Fraktion and similar terrorgroups of the seventies which tried to change society by bombing political correct holes in it. If OpenBSD aims to corner the paranoid/radical part of the market they're welcome to it for all I care. Doesn't sound like it is doing anything good for their wireless support however." I dunno, sounds to me like you bitterly despise anyone who dares to do things correctly instead of doing whatever is expedient. OpenBSD's stance on the wireless issue was correct, has been proven to be correct, and should be admired. And I'm a netbsd guy, so I am "supposed to" hate openbsd.
- phkamp 14y ago
  The fact that OpenBSD put any users and source-code holders in USA in direct violation of USA (stupid!) laws on spectrum access is the context you are missing here.
  - papsosouid 14y ago
    Even if we were to throw common sense and reason to the wind and pretend that is even remotely close to the truth, it would in no way explain your behaviour. You outright stated that "the way the world works" is accepting closed source garbage that can not be verified, debugged or fixed. You think the way the world works is compromising security and stability for convenience. And you belittle people who do care about quality, as if it somehow hurts you that such people exist.

Lets just say that maybe I have a slightly different recollection about that meeting ? :-)

by phkamp 14y ago

Lets just say that maybe I have a slightly different recollection about that meeting ? :-)

"First talk was OpenBSD's wireless talk. Much rethoric about freedom and little appreciation for the way the world actually works, as opposed to how it looks like it works from the headquarters of OpenBSD. Asked directly if they thought they could defend their reverse engineering of for instance the Atheros HAL. The answer as I heard it was "Laws don't apply to us". I guess I'm not the right person to appreciate the valor of their crusade, but somehow their rethoric reminds me too much about Rote Arme Fraktion and similar terrorgroups of the seventies which tried to change society by bombing political correct holes in it. If OpenBSD aims to corner the paranoid/radical part of the market they're welcome to it for all I care. Doesn't sound like it is doing anything good for their wireless support however." I dunno, sounds to me like you bitterly despise anyone who dares to do things correctly instead of doing whatever is expedient. OpenBSD's stance on the wireless issue was correct, has been proven to be correct, and should be admired. And I'm a netbsd guy, so I am "supposed to" hate openbsd.

phkamp 14y ago
The fact that OpenBSD put any users and source-code holders in USA in direct violation of USA (stupid!) laws on spectrum access is the context you are missing here.
- papsosouid 14y ago
  Even if we were to throw common sense and reason to the wind and pretend that is even remotely close to the truth, it would in no way explain your behaviour. You outright stated that "the way the world works" is accepting closed source garbage that can not be verified, debugged or fixed. You think the way the world works is compromising security and stability for convenience. And you belittle people who do care about quality, as if it somehow hurts you that such people exist.