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Was discussing this with a friend, and we came to the conclusion that this pretty much ends trust. Any clip or photo can be AI generated, nothing can be truste

Was discussing this with a friend, and we came to the conclusion that this pretty much ends trust. Any clip or photo can be AI generated, nothing can be trusted. Surveillance videos, cop body cams, "leaked", war video clips and so on. I think it's great that the technology exist, it has huge possibilities, but it is a double edged sword that will without question be used by people with some agenda/greed/belief/ideology/conviction/whatever.

techjamie 1y ago
Based on what I've seen of its output, there seem to still be issues with consistency between shots. Items, people, and spaces change a fair bit between shots, and I've not seen any videos out of it yet that utilize long running single shots. On a scale of "how trust ending is this?" I'd personally rate its current iteration as low-moderate risk. It will be a matter of when rather than if when we do reach the point where any arbitrary footage can be questioned, but I don't think we're quite there. I am a bit concerned about what this is going to do, or maybe already has done, to aid in scams. People were already falling for AI Elon, never mind video of this quality.
belter 1y ago
> we came to the conclusion that this pretty much ends trust. I see a business opportunity in selling trust and a way to watermark. It will have to be a better business and technical model than trust authorities as those have proven unreliable. You have to become your own certification authority and start creating a trust web.
- xnx 1y ago
  This sounds like a reinvention of reputation.
  - belter 1y ago
    A little bit, but I also need to prove to my web of trust it's not me in that drunken photo in the Tokyo metro...
spacemadness 1y ago
Various writers warned about this years ago before the AI hype. But we keep pushing anyway.
pllbnk 1y ago
When initial Sora demos came out well over a year ago they looked impressive at first but still in the uncanny valley territory (current paid Sora offering is nowhere near those demos). Veo doesn't seem to be any better, it just has more features - sound and video. I agree with your point though. To me it looks uncanny but if somebody was insisting that some generated video was real, I might not have counter-arguments to prove otherwise.

techjamie 1y ago

Based on what I've seen of its output, there seem to still be issues with consistency between shots. Items, people, and spaces change a fair bit between shots, and I've not seen any videos out of it yet that utilize long running single shots. On a scale of "how trust ending is this?" I'd personally rate its current iteration as low-moderate risk. It will be a matter of when rather than if when we do reach the point where any arbitrary footage can be questioned, but I don't think we're quite there. I am a bit concerned about what this is going to do, or maybe already has done, to aid in scams. People were already falling for AI Elon, never mind video of this quality.

belter 1y ago

> we came to the conclusion that this pretty much ends trust. I see a business opportunity in selling trust and a way to watermark. It will have to be a better business and technical model than trust authorities as those have proven unreliable. You have to become your own certification authority and start creating a trust web.

xnx 1y ago
This sounds like a reinvention of reputation.
- belter 1y ago
  A little bit, but I also need to prove to my web of trust it's not me in that drunken photo in the Tokyo metro...

spacemadness 1y ago

Various writers warned about this years ago before the AI hype. But we keep pushing anyway.

pllbnk 1y ago

When initial Sora demos came out well over a year ago they looked impressive at first but still in the uncanny valley territory (current paid Sora offering is nowhere near those demos). Veo doesn't seem to be any better, it just has more features - sound and video. I agree with your point though. To me it looks uncanny but if somebody was insisting that some generated video was real, I might not have counter-arguments to prove otherwise.