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Meanwhile, in the Mac world... https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1kpggmu/the_state_of_steam_on_macos_is_astonishingly_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/m

Meanwhile, in the Mac world... https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1kpggmu/the_state_of_steam_on_macos_is_astonishingly_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1kpggmu/the_stat...

loehnsberg 1y ago
If Valve was serious about Mac as a platform, they would port their Source games, like they ported Portal 1&2 for the Switch. To some extend I understand this, because Apple isn‘t serious either, no matter how often they show me a Dual Sense loitering near a Mac screen.
- mschuster91 1y ago
  The problem is, Epic is not going to tie themselves to the arbitrary deprecation whims of another company again, and Apple is truly infamous for that. No matter if there could actually be some serious money to be made from the huuuuge catalog of titles that already have a Nintendo Switch port.
- jillesvangurp 1y ago
  There were some volunteers working on this topic that kind of backed away from this topic. But they got quite far with this. What I don't get is why Valve isn't backing such efforts financially. There are millions of wealthy mac owners out there with pretty capable hardware. That should translate into quite a bit of steam purchases. I just got a shiny m4 max laptop. I run Steam on a much less capable crappy old Samsung laptop (via manjaro). Would I run that on my mac if I could? Yes. Would I be tempted to spend a bit of cash on some fun games. Probably. Am I doing that currently? No, because that crappy old Samsung is too old and most games don't run on it. And I'm not in a mood to buy a dedicated gaming machine. I might at some point but just not a priority. But I don't mind dropping a few euros on a game to entertain myself once in a while.
  - Frederks 1y ago
    >What I don't get is why Valve isn't backing such efforts financially I remember reading something a few years ago about how Valve basically gave up on Mac due to Apple being a complete pain in the ass to work with.
  - CaliforniaKarl 1y ago
    You may be interested in purchasing a Steam Deck, or similar product. I am in a similar situation, where home machine is a Mac Mini. I wanted to play various games, but did not want to purchase (and maintain) a Windows machine. A Steam Deck—plus USB-C dock, connected to monitor and speakers—has been a good substitute for me.
  - hnlmorg 1y ago
    Steam is already available for macOS and there are numerous games available for the platform. If Valve were getting high numbers of people installing the macOS Steam client, and you can bet they do already have that telemetry, then they would take the platform more seriously. But most macOS users aren’t interesting in gaming on their Mac.
  - izacus 1y ago
    There's nothing much to get, Steam Hardware Survey shows that Steam usage currently sits at 1.6% for macOS which is LESS than even Linux: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam?platform=combined https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw... And with Apple's hostility towards gamers with moves like refusal to support OpenGL or Vulkan (adding extra Metal support work to their developers) and refusal to keep stable APIs for a long time for game developers, it makes sense for them to rather focus on a crowd that is easier to support. When it comes to gaming, Apple is its own enemy since forever and has been similarly failing to gain serious traction even on iOS (considering how powerful the iOS hardware is). iPads could be Steam Decks of their time and Apple just never cared enough.
    - xethos 1y ago
      Overall I agree, and I'm not about to refute the statement, but I never thought the phrase "Linux users are easier to support" would be taken seriously - I find that marvelous and hilarious.
- mmcnl 1y ago
  Curious to why they (both Apple and Valve) are not serious about it. The MacBook Air could actually be a great gaming device. It has extremely capable hardware at a very low price point. And for Valve it would be an instant expansion of their user base with a large number of new potential customers.
  - michaelt 1y ago
    Apple had the opportunity to stay on x86, where the 20+ year back catalog of games is. Apple decided the benefits of moving to ARM outweighed the loss of gamers.
    - deleted 1y ago
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- nialv7 1y ago
  Switch has (certified) OpenGL and Vulkan. Mac has none of them.
Ygg2 1y ago
I think Valve counts Macs as lost.
- vaylian 1y ago
  Apple's app store is hard to compete with. Which is probably also why Valve invested aggressively into Linux when Microsoft tried to establish a similar closed environment.
ekianjo 1y ago
Even was Steam had a good client for Mac, most gamers on Mac just relied on Bootcamp to play games, so this is what you get...
- Gigachad 1y ago
  Boot camp was just a way to literally run windows. Gaming on Mac died when they killed 32bit support and didn’t support Vulkan. Apple has pretty consistently shown almost no effort in making gaming on Mac work so everyone else has just ignored it.

Meanwhile, in the Mac world... https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1kpggmu/the_state_of_steam_on_macos_is_astonishingly_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1kpggmu/the_stat...

loehnsberg 1y ago

If Valve was serious about Mac as a platform, they would port their Source games, like they ported Portal 1&2 for the Switch. To some extend I understand this, because Apple isn‘t serious either, no matter how often they show me a Dual Sense loitering near a Mac screen.

mschuster91 1y ago
The problem is, Epic is not going to tie themselves to the arbitrary deprecation whims of another company again, and Apple is truly infamous for that. No matter if there could actually be some serious money to be made from the huuuuge catalog of titles that already have a Nintendo Switch port.
jillesvangurp 1y ago
There were some volunteers working on this topic that kind of backed away from this topic. But they got quite far with this. What I don't get is why Valve isn't backing such efforts financially. There are millions of wealthy mac owners out there with pretty capable hardware. That should translate into quite a bit of steam purchases. I just got a shiny m4 max laptop. I run Steam on a much less capable crappy old Samsung laptop (via manjaro). Would I run that on my mac if I could? Yes. Would I be tempted to spend a bit of cash on some fun games. Probably. Am I doing that currently? No, because that crappy old Samsung is too old and most games don't run on it. And I'm not in a mood to buy a dedicated gaming machine. I might at some point but just not a priority. But I don't mind dropping a few euros on a game to entertain myself once in a while.
- Frederks 1y ago
  >What I don't get is why Valve isn't backing such efforts financially I remember reading something a few years ago about how Valve basically gave up on Mac due to Apple being a complete pain in the ass to work with.
- CaliforniaKarl 1y ago
  You may be interested in purchasing a Steam Deck, or similar product. I am in a similar situation, where home machine is a Mac Mini. I wanted to play various games, but did not want to purchase (and maintain) a Windows machine. A Steam Deck—plus USB-C dock, connected to monitor and speakers—has been a good substitute for me.
- hnlmorg 1y ago
  Steam is already available for macOS and there are numerous games available for the platform. If Valve were getting high numbers of people installing the macOS Steam client, and you can bet they do already have that telemetry, then they would take the platform more seriously. But most macOS users aren’t interesting in gaming on their Mac.
- izacus 1y ago
  There's nothing much to get, Steam Hardware Survey shows that Steam usage currently sits at 1.6% for macOS which is LESS than even Linux: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam?platform=combined https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw... And with Apple's hostility towards gamers with moves like refusal to support OpenGL or Vulkan (adding extra Metal support work to their developers) and refusal to keep stable APIs for a long time for game developers, it makes sense for them to rather focus on a crowd that is easier to support. When it comes to gaming, Apple is its own enemy since forever and has been similarly failing to gain serious traction even on iOS (considering how powerful the iOS hardware is). iPads could be Steam Decks of their time and Apple just never cared enough.
  - xethos 1y ago
    Overall I agree, and I'm not about to refute the statement, but I never thought the phrase "Linux users are easier to support" would be taken seriously - I find that marvelous and hilarious.
mmcnl 1y ago
Curious to why they (both Apple and Valve) are not serious about it. The MacBook Air could actually be a great gaming device. It has extremely capable hardware at a very low price point. And for Valve it would be an instant expansion of their user base with a large number of new potential customers.
- michaelt 1y ago
  Apple had the opportunity to stay on x86, where the 20+ year back catalog of games is. Apple decided the benefits of moving to ARM outweighed the loss of gamers.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
nialv7 1y ago
Switch has (certified) OpenGL and Vulkan. Mac has none of them.

Ygg2 1y ago

I think Valve counts Macs as lost.

vaylian 1y ago
Apple's app store is hard to compete with. Which is probably also why Valve invested aggressively into Linux when Microsoft tried to establish a similar closed environment.

ekianjo 1y ago

Even was Steam had a good client for Mac, most gamers on Mac just relied on Bootcamp to play games, so this is what you get...

Gigachad 1y ago
Boot camp was just a way to literally run windows. Gaming on Mac died when they killed 32bit support and didn’t support Vulkan. Apple has pretty consistently shown almost no effort in making gaming on Mac work so everyone else has just ignored it.