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Ugh. I'm sick of vibe coding being called the wave of the future. There are people out there working on genuinely hard problems using real knowledge and skill.

Ugh. I'm sick of vibe coding being called the wave of the future. There are people out there working on genuinely hard problems using real knowledge and skill. The idea that they're going to be replaced by people telling a chatbot to "do a thing" strikes me as ridiculous. All the "amazing" vibe coding demos I've seen are things like "holy crap it made a todo list" or "here's a blocky flight sim where the plane is sideways." Look if you're having fun telling windsurf to replace your blog I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I'm sick of hearing that it's the future. It devalues what actual programmers do with their actual knowledge. Vibe coders are the script kiddies to the actual hackers out there.

johnnyanmac 1y ago
It's a very odd celebration of ignorance in my eyes. Like, sure. It's nice when I can just throw some stuff in a slow cooker and make some decent food. But I don't pretend to be a chef nor think I can scale up and make a 5 star restaurant with my slow Cooker. People dedicate their entire life to that craft and I don't want to disrespect that. But when it comes to tech and art: I guess people never respected it to begin with, so there's that.
- thefz 1y ago
  A lot of people want to be called "programmer" without putting in even a tiny fraction of the work.
- Disposal8433 1y ago
  There was a short time around Windows 95 when people like Bill Gates were seen as nerdy gods. Steve Jobs was the last one I guess. But I've seen a disturbing trend amongst some users of LLMs, a disdain for programmers as if we were gatekeeping programming languages by making them too difficult on purpose. Now everyone wants to code without learning anything. It would be pathetic if it were not for the whole push by Microsoft and others to the CEOs of every company in the world. This lack of respect will still be there but the LLMs will stay and that's worrying.
zer00eyz 1y ago
> The Vibe Coder stays behind, > that is why he’s ahead. > He is detached, > thus at one with all. > Through selfless action > he is perfectly fulfilled. Clearly your not fulfilled and should be vibe coding, at least that's what Rick Rubin says... I'm not sure a koan to vibe coding in the style of Lao Tzu and the Tao is in good taste. I can tell you that as a lover of the Tao, it is poorly done at best. Clearly someone missed the point of Wu Wei in the source material and this is the result.
- satisfice 1y ago
  The meaning of this is clear: Nothing matters, so only a fool takes anything seriously. The wise simulate death until they are dead.
- overgard 1y ago
  I wouldn't be shocked if Rick had AI generate this monstrosity.
  - knowaveragejoe 1y ago
    That's exactly what it is.
- calt 1y ago
  > it is poorly done at best. And that’s the point. It’s satire. He’s saying, “Use silly toys to make bad art, and while you’re at it claim it leads to enlightenment, like the vibe coding evangelists say it does.”
  - Cotterzz 1y ago
    I would really prefer it if it was satire. I don't think people posting this all over the place saying how amazeballs it is get that it's a joke, and I'm not 100% convinced myself. It just looks horribly pretentious.
  - Ancapistani 1y ago
    The author gave an hour-long interview yesterday on the AI Daily Brief. If it's satire, he's committed to the bit. It's actually a really interesting story, for reasons that have nothing to do with the tech.
deadbabe 1y ago
My fear is that it is the future: A future where innovation stagnates because no one knows how or even wants to do anything anymore that they can’t get from prompting an LLM. Everything humans do will be a prompt interface. Already at work people are lazy as hell, nobody wants to know things, just do things and move on. Air traffic control? Just have pilots prompt an LLM, there’s already discussions about it due to the lack of people available to work this job. Legal battles? Prompt LLMs for case studies. Many firms no longer have a need for junior members. Movies and shows? Prompt LLMs to produce content, no need for elaborate CGI or set designs or costumes. Someday perhaps there will be a new human art renaissance where people learn to shun LLMs and AI content and once again we will be graced with an abundance soulful human works. We will not live long enough to see those days.
- Cotterzz 1y ago
  Someone has to do 'Way of Air Traffic Control' and write second rate asian philosophy inspired poetry about how planes aren't really an important part of the job and will just land themselves.
Jain_Ujjwal 1y ago
what exactly programmers can do currently which vibe coding cannot do?
- overgard 1y ago
  Reason about what they're working on without hallucinating, as a small example.
soupfordummies 1y ago
Cmon pal, can’t you even read the TITLE?! It’s not the wave of the future, it’s a TIMELESS ART! :P

johnnyanmac 1y ago

It's a very odd celebration of ignorance in my eyes. Like, sure. It's nice when I can just throw some stuff in a slow cooker and make some decent food. But I don't pretend to be a chef nor think I can scale up and make a 5 star restaurant with my slow Cooker. People dedicate their entire life to that craft and I don't want to disrespect that. But when it comes to tech and art: I guess people never respected it to begin with, so there's that.

thefz 1y ago
A lot of people want to be called "programmer" without putting in even a tiny fraction of the work.
Disposal8433 1y ago
There was a short time around Windows 95 when people like Bill Gates were seen as nerdy gods. Steve Jobs was the last one I guess. But I've seen a disturbing trend amongst some users of LLMs, a disdain for programmers as if we were gatekeeping programming languages by making them too difficult on purpose. Now everyone wants to code without learning anything. It would be pathetic if it were not for the whole push by Microsoft and others to the CEOs of every company in the world. This lack of respect will still be there but the LLMs will stay and that's worrying.

zer00eyz 1y ago

> The Vibe Coder stays behind, > that is why he’s ahead. > He is detached, > thus at one with all. > Through selfless action > he is perfectly fulfilled. Clearly your not fulfilled and should be vibe coding, at least that's what Rick Rubin says... I'm not sure a koan to vibe coding in the style of Lao Tzu and the Tao is in good taste. I can tell you that as a lover of the Tao, it is poorly done at best. Clearly someone missed the point of Wu Wei in the source material and this is the result.

satisfice 1y ago
The meaning of this is clear: Nothing matters, so only a fool takes anything seriously. The wise simulate death until they are dead.
overgard 1y ago
I wouldn't be shocked if Rick had AI generate this monstrosity.
- knowaveragejoe 1y ago
  That's exactly what it is.
calt 1y ago
> it is poorly done at best. And that’s the point. It’s satire. He’s saying, “Use silly toys to make bad art, and while you’re at it claim it leads to enlightenment, like the vibe coding evangelists say it does.”
- Cotterzz 1y ago
  I would really prefer it if it was satire. I don't think people posting this all over the place saying how amazeballs it is get that it's a joke, and I'm not 100% convinced myself. It just looks horribly pretentious.
- Ancapistani 1y ago
  The author gave an hour-long interview yesterday on the AI Daily Brief. If it's satire, he's committed to the bit. It's actually a really interesting story, for reasons that have nothing to do with the tech.

deadbabe 1y ago

My fear is that it is the future: A future where innovation stagnates because no one knows how or even wants to do anything anymore that they can’t get from prompting an LLM. Everything humans do will be a prompt interface. Already at work people are lazy as hell, nobody wants to know things, just do things and move on. Air traffic control? Just have pilots prompt an LLM, there’s already discussions about it due to the lack of people available to work this job. Legal battles? Prompt LLMs for case studies. Many firms no longer have a need for junior members. Movies and shows? Prompt LLMs to produce content, no need for elaborate CGI or set designs or costumes. Someday perhaps there will be a new human art renaissance where people learn to shun LLMs and AI content and once again we will be graced with an abundance soulful human works. We will not live long enough to see those days.

Cotterzz 1y ago
Someone has to do 'Way of Air Traffic Control' and write second rate asian philosophy inspired poetry about how planes aren't really an important part of the job and will just land themselves.

Jain_Ujjwal 1y ago

what exactly programmers can do currently which vibe coding cannot do?

overgard 1y ago
Reason about what they're working on without hallucinating, as a small example.

soupfordummies 1y ago

Cmon pal, can’t you even read the TITLE?! It’s not the wave of the future, it’s a TIMELESS ART! :P