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The UCP (who seem to have no official opinion on separation) have already begun some of this, with an Alberta pension plan and a new Alberta police force. (Edi

The UCP (who seem to have no official opinion on separation) have already begun some of this, with an Alberta pension plan and a new Alberta police force. (Edit: to be clear, these are just proposals the government is exploring at this point.) > test whether their low-tax haven will survive leaving Canada. The math already makes sense from a tax perspective. Alberta is a net contributor to the rest of the country, mainly due to resource royalties. But to me, the question is whether that would still hold when it has to work out trade deals with two neighbouring countries, while small (pop. 5 million), and landlocked.

SketchySeaBeast 1y ago
> The UCP (who seem to have no official opinion on separation) have already begun some of this, with an Alberta pension plan and a new Alberta police force. To be clear, none of this has been enacted. The UCP love to threaten, but those initiatives have not proven to be popular with Albertans. > But to me, the question is whether that would still hold when it has to work out trade deals with two neighbouring countries, while small (pop. 5 million), and landlocked. And when Alberta needs to take on all the things that the federal government does for them.
- slavik81 1y ago
  > The UCP love to threaten, but those initiatives have not proven to be popular with Albertans. Unpopularity didn't stop them from changing the environmental rules to allow a new coal mine in the eastern slopes of the Rockies. The vast majority of Albertans were opposed and they went ahead anyway.
nonchalantsui 1y ago
There is no Alberta Pension Plan that exists today. All provinces also already run their own police forces. So there has been no movement on this in Alberta.
- badc0ffee 1y ago
  > There is no Alberta Pension Plan that exists today. There is a fund (AIMCo) that the government is proposing to convert in to a general pension plan. So far that has not been popular enough to translate into concrete action. > All provinces also already run their own police forces. No, rural policing is handled by the RCMP in 8 provinces. Ontario has the OPP and Quebec has SQ. > So there has been no movement on this in Alberta. The idea of the police force is more popular with voters than the idea of the pension plan. So, something could come of it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-plans-to-create-independent-police-agency-as-alternative-option-to-rcmp-1.7504377 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-plans-to-cre...
  - giltron 1y ago
    And the numbers the UCP used from the consulting report were disputed by multiple groups including CPP. However it appears to not be moving forward anymore. https://www.benefitsandpensionsmonitor.com/news/industry-news/premier-halts-pension-plan-vote-as-uncertainty-over-albertas-cpp-share-deepens/391926 https://www.benefitsandpensionsmonitor.com/news/industry-new...

SketchySeaBeast 1y ago

> The UCP (who seem to have no official opinion on separation) have already begun some of this, with an Alberta pension plan and a new Alberta police force. To be clear, none of this has been enacted. The UCP love to threaten, but those initiatives have not proven to be popular with Albertans. > But to me, the question is whether that would still hold when it has to work out trade deals with two neighbouring countries, while small (pop. 5 million), and landlocked. And when Alberta needs to take on all the things that the federal government does for them.

slavik81 1y ago
> The UCP love to threaten, but those initiatives have not proven to be popular with Albertans. Unpopularity didn't stop them from changing the environmental rules to allow a new coal mine in the eastern slopes of the Rockies. The vast majority of Albertans were opposed and they went ahead anyway.

nonchalantsui 1y ago

There is no Alberta Pension Plan that exists today. All provinces also already run their own police forces. So there has been no movement on this in Alberta.

badc0ffee 1y ago
> There is no Alberta Pension Plan that exists today. There is a fund (AIMCo) that the government is proposing to convert in to a general pension plan. So far that has not been popular enough to translate into concrete action. > All provinces also already run their own police forces. No, rural policing is handled by the RCMP in 8 provinces. Ontario has the OPP and Quebec has SQ. > So there has been no movement on this in Alberta. The idea of the police force is more popular with voters than the idea of the pension plan. So, something could come of it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-plans-to-create-independent-police-agency-as-alternative-option-to-rcmp-1.7504377 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-plans-to-cre...
- giltron 1y ago
  And the numbers the UCP used from the consulting report were disputed by multiple groups including CPP. However it appears to not be moving forward anymore. https://www.benefitsandpensionsmonitor.com/news/industry-news/premier-halts-pension-plan-vote-as-uncertainty-over-albertas-cpp-share-deepens/391926 https://www.benefitsandpensionsmonitor.com/news/industry-new...