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Is it dumb? Yes. Can you still use Notepad as Notepad? Also yes. We'll all survive.

timewizard 1y ago
It is interesting that a giant like Microsoft got hoodwinked into paying billions for this technology and now has nothing better to do with it than jam it into notepad at the request of absolutely no one. It's like writing on a wall that most of Hacker News just does not want to observe.
- vel0city 1y ago
  > has nothing better to do with it This is pretty untrue, considering how much other stuff they're putting Copilot into. Chances are a few people working on all the rest of the new stuff with Notepad thought it would be fun to add it, and managed to get it in. It probably didn't take much to add.
- krapp 1y ago
  They're going to jam it into everything, Notepad is just low hanging fruit. Wait until AI is the universal interface for Windows and all Windows applications.
- perching_aix 1y ago
  I find it pretty funny that despite Copilot being a chatbot through and through, the only way you cannot talk with "it" is through Teams. Yes, I know you can set up your own Bot Framework identity that then brokers everything to a model. But one would think that they'd want people to be able to just chat with Copilot where folks chat with everyone else.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    > the only way you cannot talk with "it" is through Teams This is definitely a feature for Teams for all platforms I have Teams installed on. On the Android app, there's a Copilot icon at the top right next to the search button. Pressing that takes me to a prompt to talk to Copilot. On the Windows app, there's an icon in the left nav bar. EDIT: Looking at thinking about it though, it would be nice to be able to say add copilot to a group chat and be able to @copilot or whatever within the room, have it respond, and have its response be shared with everyone like any other chat participant.
    - perching_aix 1y ago
      Must be disabled here using organizational policies then cause I see nothing of the sort. To be fair, I also did run into something like this with Outlook. With that I knew that there were integrations though, so I knew to search for it and could confirm it's disabled. Didn't occur to me to search for this regarding Teams, but it makes sense. Pretty strange though, cause we do have Copilot working in Edge, I use it all the time. And it's not the el cheapo free version. Closely related, all this session management crap is what drives me personally insane, not the presence of AI. Might again be just the organizational policies making things fall apart though. But my expected experience would be to just log in to Windows, and have Copilot just working everywhere. Not log into Copilot in Edge, log into Copilot in VS Code, log into Copilot in (...). So annoying.
      - vel0city 1y ago
        Yeah, my employer seems to have the mindset if we don't bother trying to standardize and enable AI tools people are just going to end up quietly using other tools in more questionable and far less DLP-compliant ways, so you might as well get ahead of it and say if you want to use AI tools here are the allowed ways and tools. Microsoft seems to have pretty good DLP kind of tooling around Copilot. And I do agree, I feel like Microsoft has regressed about linking sessions to your desktop session. If I'm already logged in on the desktop session just auth with that. Instead I have to login to all the various tools. Sure, maybe throw a "Log in with your account?" prompt or something to confirm I want to use it or re-auth a passkey or whatever, but annoying I need to resupply a password. And that's not just some way IT has things configured, same kind of thing on my personal devices.

It is interesting that a giant like Microsoft got hoodwinked into paying billions for this technology and now has nothing better to do with it than jam it into notepad at the request of absolutely no one. It's like writing on a wall that most of Hacker News just does not want to observe.

vel0city 1y ago
> has nothing better to do with it This is pretty untrue, considering how much other stuff they're putting Copilot into. Chances are a few people working on all the rest of the new stuff with Notepad thought it would be fun to add it, and managed to get it in. It probably didn't take much to add.
krapp 1y ago
They're going to jam it into everything, Notepad is just low hanging fruit. Wait until AI is the universal interface for Windows and all Windows applications.
perching_aix 1y ago
I find it pretty funny that despite Copilot being a chatbot through and through, the only way you cannot talk with "it" is through Teams. Yes, I know you can set up your own Bot Framework identity that then brokers everything to a model. But one would think that they'd want people to be able to just chat with Copilot where folks chat with everyone else.
- vel0city 1y ago
  > the only way you cannot talk with "it" is through Teams This is definitely a feature for Teams for all platforms I have Teams installed on. On the Android app, there's a Copilot icon at the top right next to the search button. Pressing that takes me to a prompt to talk to Copilot. On the Windows app, there's an icon in the left nav bar. EDIT: Looking at thinking about it though, it would be nice to be able to say add copilot to a group chat and be able to @copilot or whatever within the room, have it respond, and have its response be shared with everyone like any other chat participant.
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    Must be disabled here using organizational policies then cause I see nothing of the sort. To be fair, I also did run into something like this with Outlook. With that I knew that there were integrations though, so I knew to search for it and could confirm it's disabled. Didn't occur to me to search for this regarding Teams, but it makes sense. Pretty strange though, cause we do have Copilot working in Edge, I use it all the time. And it's not the el cheapo free version. Closely related, all this session management crap is what drives me personally insane, not the presence of AI. Might again be just the organizational policies making things fall apart though. But my expected experience would be to just log in to Windows, and have Copilot just working everywhere. Not log into Copilot in Edge, log into Copilot in VS Code, log into Copilot in (...). So annoying.
    - vel0city 1y ago
      Yeah, my employer seems to have the mindset if we don't bother trying to standardize and enable AI tools people are just going to end up quietly using other tools in more questionable and far less DLP-compliant ways, so you might as well get ahead of it and say if you want to use AI tools here are the allowed ways and tools. Microsoft seems to have pretty good DLP kind of tooling around Copilot. And I do agree, I feel like Microsoft has regressed about linking sessions to your desktop session. If I'm already logged in on the desktop session just auth with that. Instead I have to login to all the various tools. Sure, maybe throw a "Log in with your account?" prompt or something to confirm I want to use it or re-auth a passkey or whatever, but annoying I need to resupply a password. And that's not just some way IT has things configured, same kind of thing on my personal devices.