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In the absence of any clear guideline on the protocol 'Send meta questions to the mods' is all over the guidelines and countless mod comments over the years.

by pvg 1y ago

aspenmayer 1y ago
>> In the absence of any clear guideline on the protocol > 'Send meta questions to the mods' is all over the guidelines and countless mod comments over the years. I am sending my meta question to the mods and users via the submit post text box. If I sent an email, it wouldn't work, because then only the mods would get my email. I don't understand if you're intentionally misunderstanding my aims and goals with my post, but I've made every effort to help you understand why I posted instead of emailed, as my goal was to have a conversation with the entire HN community, not just one subsection of it. There was simply no other way to structure my post so that it would satisfy you, I guess. I don't mean to be dismissive, I really don't know what you expect me to do with your replies in this thread. I can only assume you don't like people questioning things around here.
- pvg 1y ago
  I am sending my meta question to the mods and users via the submit post text box. The site rules and conventions ask you not to do that, very straightforwardly and have for years. It's a trivial thing and you've written walls of text calling me names, making weird assumptions about my motives, etc, etc. It simply isn't true that there is 'an absence of protocol'. Perhaps you were unaware of it. Now you are, and you're right, this is a great place to wrap up.
  - aspenmayer 1y ago
    You saying so doesn't make it so. Your interpretation of the guidelines is as valid as mine, as neither of us are mods currently, right? Which is why I asked for the mods to weigh in publicly in the first place! What names did I call you? You're retreating to vagaries and allusions and baseless claims. I'm not unaware of what I'm doing, and I don't find your comment helpful. You could have emailed the mods yourself if you wanted, and instead you besmirch my honor and call me a liar, and have the gall to say I'm wrong to merely ask to speak in public. The emperor has no clothes.
  - aspenmayer 1y ago
    If you feel that I have wasted your time or insulted your person or character, that was not my intention or desire, but I understand that my words may have been interpreted that way. I may be wrong on points of fact through any or no reason, but not intentionally. If you feel that I called you names because I used the word “concern troll,” that is just what the behavior is called in that context, and does not reflect my views on you as a person. I quite like you generally from what I have read of your output, even if I don’t agree with something. I don’t view disagreement about the guidelines with you as being a personal grievance, so I’m not sure why you feel attacked if I critique HN, but I’ll leave my words there. I respect you, though I don’t know you. I believe that reasonable people can disagree, and I aim to be reasonable here by admitting my mistake in understanding the difference between [flagged][dead] and [dead]. I won’t ask for an apology but I think from context it’s clear that we both feel we’re owed one. You got yours, and if you don’t need it or want it, that’s okay too. If you aren’t satisfied with it, I’m sure I’ll owe you a better one eventually, and I’ll give you that one for the same price as the last. Are you able to identify anything you might have done differently in this thread? I know I am. This might feel like snark, but I am really trying to approach this from a place of love for the community you have helped build, perhaps more than any other person. But when you treat me badly, it hurts, and I don’t know if you care or even perceive me at all. Am I just a “wall of text” to you? I’m a real person, you know, trying to have a genuine interaction with people who care to hear it, not comply with HN guidelines or else.

In the absence of any clear guideline on the protocol 'Send meta questions to the mods' is all over the guidelines and countless mod comments over the years.

by pvg 1y ago

In the absence of any clear guideline on the protocol 'Send meta questions to the mods' is all over the guidelines and countless mod comments over the years.

aspenmayer 1y ago

>> In the absence of any clear guideline on the protocol > 'Send meta questions to the mods' is all over the guidelines and countless mod comments over the years. I am sending my meta question to the mods and users via the submit post text box. If I sent an email, it wouldn't work, because then only the mods would get my email. I don't understand if you're intentionally misunderstanding my aims and goals with my post, but I've made every effort to help you understand why I posted instead of emailed, as my goal was to have a conversation with the entire HN community, not just one subsection of it. There was simply no other way to structure my post so that it would satisfy you, I guess. I don't mean to be dismissive, I really don't know what you expect me to do with your replies in this thread. I can only assume you don't like people questioning things around here.

pvg 1y ago
I am sending my meta question to the mods and users via the submit post text box. The site rules and conventions ask you not to do that, very straightforwardly and have for years. It's a trivial thing and you've written walls of text calling me names, making weird assumptions about my motives, etc, etc. It simply isn't true that there is 'an absence of protocol'. Perhaps you were unaware of it. Now you are, and you're right, this is a great place to wrap up.
- aspenmayer 1y ago
  You saying so doesn't make it so. Your interpretation of the guidelines is as valid as mine, as neither of us are mods currently, right? Which is why I asked for the mods to weigh in publicly in the first place! What names did I call you? You're retreating to vagaries and allusions and baseless claims. I'm not unaware of what I'm doing, and I don't find your comment helpful. You could have emailed the mods yourself if you wanted, and instead you besmirch my honor and call me a liar, and have the gall to say I'm wrong to merely ask to speak in public. The emperor has no clothes.
- aspenmayer 1y ago
  If you feel that I have wasted your time or insulted your person or character, that was not my intention or desire, but I understand that my words may have been interpreted that way. I may be wrong on points of fact through any or no reason, but not intentionally. If you feel that I called you names because I used the word “concern troll,” that is just what the behavior is called in that context, and does not reflect my views on you as a person. I quite like you generally from what I have read of your output, even if I don’t agree with something. I don’t view disagreement about the guidelines with you as being a personal grievance, so I’m not sure why you feel attacked if I critique HN, but I’ll leave my words there. I respect you, though I don’t know you. I believe that reasonable people can disagree, and I aim to be reasonable here by admitting my mistake in understanding the difference between [flagged][dead] and [dead]. I won’t ask for an apology but I think from context it’s clear that we both feel we’re owed one. You got yours, and if you don’t need it or want it, that’s okay too. If you aren’t satisfied with it, I’m sure I’ll owe you a better one eventually, and I’ll give you that one for the same price as the last. Are you able to identify anything you might have done differently in this thread? I know I am. This might feel like snark, but I am really trying to approach this from a place of love for the community you have helped build, perhaps more than any other person. But when you treat me badly, it hurts, and I don’t know if you care or even perceive me at all. Am I just a “wall of text” to you? I’m a real person, you know, trying to have a genuine interaction with people who care to hear it, not comply with HN guidelines or else.