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> […] all without appealing to an authoritarian source of control. Well that was partly what After Virtue was about: arguing it wasn't possible to have an obje

> […] all without appealing to an authoritarian source of control. Well that was partly what After Virtue was about: arguing it wasn't possible to have an objective moral system without the supernatural. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Virtue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Virtue And he's not the only one to hold this view (many atheists do as well): * https://global.oup.com/academic/product/atheist-overreach-9780190880927 https://global.oup.com/academic/product/atheist-overreach-97... You're left with either Nietzsche's arbitrary will, or virtues (à la Aristotle). For the latter, MacIntyre attempted to develop a system of morality (? ethics?) based on human biology: * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/655623.Dependent_Rational_Animals https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/655623.Dependent_Rationa... Once can certainly tell oneself that there is a certain purpose or meaning to one's life, but if you're a materialist, then (the argument goes (AIUI)) it's not true. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem The arrangement of atoms is arbitrary and without meaning, and to call some arrangement(s) "good" or "bad" or better / worse is a value judgement that is just as arbitrary and meaningless.

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Link dump at the ready. > And he's not the only one to hold this view (many atheists do as well): The author Christian Smith is apparently a Roman Catholic. What do you mean?
- throw0101b 1y ago
  > Link dump at the ready. Links to three books which I've read recently (some owned, some library), and a link to an overview of the topic which they cover. > The author Christian Smith is apparently a Roman Catholic. What do you mean? Whether he is or not, the book in question has numerous footnotes to people / philosophers who are atheists.
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    > Whether he is or not, the book in question has numerous footnotes to people / philosophers who are atheists. “Many atheists do” (they are in the footnotes of this book written by a Catholic). That’s misleading.

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Link dump at the ready. > And he's not the only one to hold this view (many atheists do as well): The author Christian Smith is apparently a Roman Catholic. What do you mean?

throw0101b 1y ago
> Link dump at the ready. Links to three books which I've read recently (some owned, some library), and a link to an overview of the topic which they cover. > The author Christian Smith is apparently a Roman Catholic. What do you mean? Whether he is or not, the book in question has numerous footnotes to people / philosophers who are atheists.
- keybored 1y ago
  > Whether he is or not, the book in question has numerous footnotes to people / philosophers who are atheists. “Many atheists do” (they are in the footnotes of this book written by a Catholic). That’s misleading.