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> Trump won, because he and project 2025 represent what conservative Christians want and because republican party want it. And people forever blaming anyone els

> Trump won, because he and project 2025 represent what conservative Christians want and because republican party want it. And people forever blaming anyone else are just enablers. This has nothing to do with what democrats do or signal. That is utterly irrelevant That explains why people voted for Trump. That doesn't explain why people didn't vote for Harris. > This is not about how economy is doing in reality. It is not about what democrats signal. 1. Republican voters either want to destroy the working class, or are detached from reality and believe the lies from Fox News. 2. Maybe it's not about what the Democrats signal. But let's pause for a second: what did the Democrats signal? What was the big message that the Harris campaign really wanted people to know? > And working class economical concerns are not addressed by republicans at all ... What do you mean? Trump said grocery prices would drop on day 1! He said he would end the Ukraine war on day 1! And the war in Gaza too! He said he would bring jobs back to America! The Republicans absolutely addressed the economic concerns of the working class. Of course, it was all a lie, but it doesn't matter if your voters just believe anything you say.

watwut 1y ago
> That explains why people voted for Trump. That doesn't explain why people didn't vote for Harris. Harris does not provide what project 2025 calls for. She would not own the libs either. > what did the Democrats signal? What was the big message that the Harris campaign really wanted people to know? They run on "we will govern responsibly" and "we can make economy good". They were not talking about DEI, women in general nor about minorities as OP suggests. > The Republicans absolutely addressed the economic concerns of the working class. And all those concerns stopped mattering the day after - both to the voters and to the party too. Previous republicans governments, including Trumps one did not made economy great, did not made healthcare cheaper, none of that. These are pretend concerns. Something republican votes can pretend they care about when democrats are in power. Something that does not matter when republicans are in power. Something they will call "bad" during democrat governments regardless of how things really are and something they never blame republican government for. You can add debt to it too. Deficit matters only when democrats are in power. It does not matter when republicans are in power. It is and never was about any of that. It is primary about identity and secondary about cultural war. Economy and everything else is far far behind these. --------------- Pretending this is about economy, pretending that trying to make these voters life better would get you vote is how democrats are loosing. Even when they succeed, those voters punish them, because it was never ever about that.
- nulld3v 1y ago
  > Harris does not provide what project 2025 calls for. She would not own the libs either. So we should vote for Harris because she isn't Trump? What's wrong with Trump though? We already had him for 4 years, and the country didn't explode. Trump also has nothing to do with Project 2025, he said so himself. > They run on "we will govern responsibly" and "we can make economy good". Right, but how will the Dems "make the economy good"? Look at California, people are fleeing in droves, crime rate is through the roof, Dems are just as corrupt as everyone else! Trump is right, we need to be tough on crime and deport the people destroying our country. > Previous republicans governments, including Trumps one did not made economy great, did not made healthcare cheaper, none of that. Again, it's not like the Democrats really did all that great either. I never really saw them push for universal healthcare. Student loan forgiveness was cool, but just a way to saddle the country with more debt without solving the real problem (and Trump rolled it back anyways). --------------- Ok, I don't actually believe these things anymore. But the problem is: I did believe some of these things before the election. I apologize for my stupidity, though at least I can say I was not directly responsible since while I live in the US, I don't have voting rights.
  - mcphage 1y ago
    > Right, but how will the Dems "make the economy good"? Look at California The fourth largest economy in the world—is that what you want us to look at and then ask how the Democrats will make the economy good? Gee, I wonder where they'd find an answer for that stumper.
    - nulld3v 1y ago
      True, but I wrote it off as the work of the tech bros, and I didn't see how that could be replicated in other states (e.g. New York's economy didn't grow at the same rate).
      - mcphage 1y ago
        It's not the politicians' jobs to start the companies, it's their job to create an environment that companies can start and thrive in. I don't think you could argue that it didn't happen in California.

watwut 1y ago

> That explains why people voted for Trump. That doesn't explain why people didn't vote for Harris. Harris does not provide what project 2025 calls for. She would not own the libs either. > what did the Democrats signal? What was the big message that the Harris campaign really wanted people to know? They run on "we will govern responsibly" and "we can make economy good". They were not talking about DEI, women in general nor about minorities as OP suggests. > The Republicans absolutely addressed the economic concerns of the working class. And all those concerns stopped mattering the day after - both to the voters and to the party too. Previous republicans governments, including Trumps one did not made economy great, did not made healthcare cheaper, none of that. These are pretend concerns. Something republican votes can pretend they care about when democrats are in power. Something that does not matter when republicans are in power. Something they will call "bad" during democrat governments regardless of how things really are and something they never blame republican government for. You can add debt to it too. Deficit matters only when democrats are in power. It does not matter when republicans are in power. It is and never was about any of that. It is primary about identity and secondary about cultural war. Economy and everything else is far far behind these. --------------- Pretending this is about economy, pretending that trying to make these voters life better would get you vote is how democrats are loosing. Even when they succeed, those voters punish them, because it was never ever about that.

nulld3v 1y ago
> Harris does not provide what project 2025 calls for. She would not own the libs either. So we should vote for Harris because she isn't Trump? What's wrong with Trump though? We already had him for 4 years, and the country didn't explode. Trump also has nothing to do with Project 2025, he said so himself. > They run on "we will govern responsibly" and "we can make economy good". Right, but how will the Dems "make the economy good"? Look at California, people are fleeing in droves, crime rate is through the roof, Dems are just as corrupt as everyone else! Trump is right, we need to be tough on crime and deport the people destroying our country. > Previous republicans governments, including Trumps one did not made economy great, did not made healthcare cheaper, none of that. Again, it's not like the Democrats really did all that great either. I never really saw them push for universal healthcare. Student loan forgiveness was cool, but just a way to saddle the country with more debt without solving the real problem (and Trump rolled it back anyways). --------------- Ok, I don't actually believe these things anymore. But the problem is: I did believe some of these things before the election. I apologize for my stupidity, though at least I can say I was not directly responsible since while I live in the US, I don't have voting rights.
- mcphage 1y ago
  > Right, but how will the Dems "make the economy good"? Look at California The fourth largest economy in the world—is that what you want us to look at and then ask how the Democrats will make the economy good? Gee, I wonder where they'd find an answer for that stumper.
  - nulld3v 1y ago
    True, but I wrote it off as the work of the tech bros, and I didn't see how that could be replicated in other states (e.g. New York's economy didn't grow at the same rate).
    - mcphage 1y ago
      It's not the politicians' jobs to start the companies, it's their job to create an environment that companies can start and thrive in. I don't think you could argue that it didn't happen in California.