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You'll have to take up your concerns with a lawyer. See 8 U.S. Code § 1451 - Revocation of naturalization.

OutOfHere 1y ago
None of those concerns typically apply with regard to international workers gaining citizenship. Practically all of them gain them lawfully, and with great difficulty too. For all intents and purposes, it is irrelevant to the matter at hand of employment of citizens. The point is the laws of revocation of naturalization alone will not get you or me a better job. In contrast, just the simple act of eliminating non-PhD work visas could fix the situation, but politicians work for corporations, not for the people.
- BuckRogers 1y ago
  I don't disagree with that. Though some did lie on their resumes to get jobs to attain the visas, AI could be used to flag unworthy recent citizens that committed fraud from overseas to attain their citizenship. My wife immigrated without committing fraud and is even more New Right than I am, so there's that. She wants this country preserved, and improved. Not overwhelmed and ultimately degraded. People make a place, and changing those people will change the place. It's how the world works. I would also be willing to accept alternatives, such as the creation of a new Protected Class. Settler Status, which would be granted to all children from a direct paternal line going back to the American Revolution or before for the descendants of native Americans who at that time were from Europe, and did the actual sacrifice of pioneering the wild and settled the land. If you believe new immigrants experienced hardship, try Pennsylvania in 1750. Today an immigrant that faces "hardship" as you put it, is soft as a feather. Just taking advantage of this country without truly contributing. Again, Google might be happy but my concern is not Google Inc. If those with Settler Status were granted permanent job preference over non-Settler Status individuals, that would rectify the injustice and abuse of our legal immigration system, and the blind eye towards illegal immigration.
  - OutOfHere 1y ago
    The way they usually get a job is by first getting higher education in the US, so lying on the resume of any experience abroad doesn't really factor in. The job is mainly on the basis of the domestic education, not the foreign experience. Foreign work experience alone doesn't carry much if any weight for getting employment in the US. The US is supposed to be a free country without any protected class either way. In the same way that I wouldn't support a protected class for descendants of slavery, I wouldn't for any settlers either. The hardship faced by immigrants now have to do with with the stability of their visa, which is something that settlers never had to put up with. It is not a joke to be chronically stressed by whether one is at risk of losing one's legal status, also waiting for years for their paperwork to process. These are stresses that people like you and I never experienced first-hand. I believe in merit-based employment and in training of citizens, without favoritism of any kind. As for work visas, I have already noted that they should be limited to those with a PhD (except for farm labor), and this will eliminate much of job-related concerns that people like you and I might have. Taking extremist ring-wing positions is not only unnecessary, but it opens the door down the road to someone eventually classifying you as not being sufficiently righteous. Note also that one benefit that citizens already have over visa workers is that citizens have more possibilities for entrepreneurial activities without being encumbered by work restrictions.
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None of those concerns typically apply with regard to international workers gaining citizenship. Practically all of them gain them lawfully, and with great difficulty too. For all intents and purposes, it is irrelevant to the matter at hand of employment of citizens. The point is the laws of revocation of naturalization alone will not get you or me a better job. In contrast, just the simple act of eliminating non-PhD work visas could fix the situation, but politicians work for corporations, not for the people.

BuckRogers 1y ago
I don't disagree with that. Though some did lie on their resumes to get jobs to attain the visas, AI could be used to flag unworthy recent citizens that committed fraud from overseas to attain their citizenship. My wife immigrated without committing fraud and is even more New Right than I am, so there's that. She wants this country preserved, and improved. Not overwhelmed and ultimately degraded. People make a place, and changing those people will change the place. It's how the world works. I would also be willing to accept alternatives, such as the creation of a new Protected Class. Settler Status, which would be granted to all children from a direct paternal line going back to the American Revolution or before for the descendants of native Americans who at that time were from Europe, and did the actual sacrifice of pioneering the wild and settled the land. If you believe new immigrants experienced hardship, try Pennsylvania in 1750. Today an immigrant that faces "hardship" as you put it, is soft as a feather. Just taking advantage of this country without truly contributing. Again, Google might be happy but my concern is not Google Inc. If those with Settler Status were granted permanent job preference over non-Settler Status individuals, that would rectify the injustice and abuse of our legal immigration system, and the blind eye towards illegal immigration.
- OutOfHere 1y ago
  The way they usually get a job is by first getting higher education in the US, so lying on the resume of any experience abroad doesn't really factor in. The job is mainly on the basis of the domestic education, not the foreign experience. Foreign work experience alone doesn't carry much if any weight for getting employment in the US. The US is supposed to be a free country without any protected class either way. In the same way that I wouldn't support a protected class for descendants of slavery, I wouldn't for any settlers either. The hardship faced by immigrants now have to do with with the stability of their visa, which is something that settlers never had to put up with. It is not a joke to be chronically stressed by whether one is at risk of losing one's legal status, also waiting for years for their paperwork to process. These are stresses that people like you and I never experienced first-hand. I believe in merit-based employment and in training of citizens, without favoritism of any kind. As for work visas, I have already noted that they should be limited to those with a PhD (except for farm labor), and this will eliminate much of job-related concerns that people like you and I might have. Taking extremist ring-wing positions is not only unnecessary, but it opens the door down the road to someone eventually classifying you as not being sufficiently righteous. Note also that one benefit that citizens already have over visa workers is that citizens have more possibilities for entrepreneurial activities without being encumbered by work restrictions.
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