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With respect to red states, they're the only ones that still grow: https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/gross-domestic-product-state-and-personal-income-state-4th-qua

With respect to red states, they're the only ones that still grow: https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/gross-domestic-product-state-and-personal-income-state-4th-quarter-2024-and-preliminary https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/gross-domestic-product-state-a...

Herring 1y ago
I think you’ll need a better analysis (longer timescale, more fine-grained, more explanations - education, age, productivity, investment, r&d, immigration etc) https://www.brookings.edu/articles/america-has-two-economies-and-theyre-diverging-fast/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/america-has-two-economies.... (2019)
hshdhdhj4444 1y ago
> Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased in 48 states and the District of Columbia > Personal income, in current dollars, increased in all 50 states and the District of Columbia in the fourth quarter of 2024 These are from your link. Where did you get the idea that red states are the only ones that grow? GDP growth is higher in red states in that link, but red states also received something like 80–90% of the funding from the trillion dollars or so passed by the Democratic Congress and President. Also to see how this actually plays out, compare CA to TX. gdp Growth in TX is much higher. But personal income growth in CA is much higher than in TX.
- chrisco255 1y ago
  Yeah ~1% growth is anemic while states like Arkansas are growing at more than 5%. California is losing population at all income levels. Texas is growing. Meanwhile the personal income growth is about the same between the two.
nebula8804 1y ago
Its all a giant scam: Red states block anything and everything that could help anyone but themselves. To "compromise" Dems put investments into bills that help Red states in the hopes that something will get passed(Sometimes it still fails). Examples include all these battery factories being located in purple states so that those senators will be forced to vote for the package. Dems help out the red states just to try and move the needle forward. Red politicians then get elected and further cut things that help Blue states. See all the medicaid cuts, soon social security, last trump admin cut the homeowner tax exemptions that mainly helped blue states, cutting tax benefits that encouraged companies to hire software engineers and timing it so that it takes place after trump left office. Red states typically get more out then they put in in terms of taxes: https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-contribute-the-most-and-least-to-federal-revenue/ https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-contribute-the-mo... The blue states are held hostage by the Red states because of the structure of the system(a mess left over from the post Civil War). You can argue that Blue states drag the rest of the country kicking and screaming into the future: Ex: The California CARB mandates setting emission standards forcing manufacturers to adopt their standard for emissions, The East and West coast define culture in the arts that the rest of the world see and knows as American, top universities are where the future ways of thinking are challenged and explored. Every time the Red side gets into power they try to claw back even this stuff so that the Blue states are essentially nothing more than vassals contributing more but getting little back in return. Blue states need a Democratic party that will play extremely dirty just like the Republicans.
- chrisco255 1y ago
  Battery factories are being placed in red states because they're still largely functional governments with fast go-to-market permitting and are pro-growth in general. Tesla built their new HQ (which is the largest building in the country) in Texas in 14 months, which would be impossible to do in California. It would take 5 years if they allowed them to do it at all. Blue states have ineffective, slow, dysfunctional governments that tax heavily and regulate heavily. They also do indescribably stupid things, like Prop 47 in CA. Red state / blue state categories have nothing to do with the civil war. CA wasn't even in the civil war, obviously, and for the longest time, they were a red state (until the early 90s). All of California's foundational industries (tech, entertainment, agriculture, aerospace, etc) were brought there when it was red.
  - tzs 1y ago
    What in particular do you disagree with in Prop 47?
    - chrisco255 1y ago
      Criminals should be punished, actually. Legalizing crime or treating it as an unserious problem leads to situations like you have in SF and LA today, with window smashings and retail theft etc. highly common despite recent improvements in law enforcement.
      - tzs 1y ago
        The biggest change I recall it making is raising the boundary between misdemeanor and felony from $400 to $950, but raising that is something that most states were doing in the first couple of decades of this century, with most going to $1000 or $1500. $950 is the 12th lowest. It's hard to blame increased crime on that since so many other states (big and small, red and blue) have a higher limit.
      - supertimor 1y ago
        As the other poster pointed out, California, in fact, has one of the lowest felony theft thresholds out of any of the states. In fact, it has the 12th lowest felony threshold in the union. [1] Of the top 15 states with the highest felony thresholds, only 4 of them are Democratic states. Two states are purple (but have voted red in the last election). So, it would seem Republicans states actually tend to have the highest felony threshold amounts across the US. It was actually Oklahoma who started the trend to increase the felony threshold in the early 2000s. Do you want to know which states have the highest felony theft thresholds? It’s Texas and Wisconsin at $2500. In 2014, California went from a threshold of $400 to $950. In 2015, Texas went from a threshold of $1500 to $2500, so California’s threshold has always been much lower even in the recent past. [2] On top of that, California actually repealed parts of prop 47 in 2024. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-theft-amount-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-thef... [2] https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2017/04/the-effects-of-changing-felony-theft-thresholds https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-bri...

Herring 1y ago

I think you’ll need a better analysis (longer timescale, more fine-grained, more explanations - education, age, productivity, investment, r&d, immigration etc) https://www.brookings.edu/articles/america-has-two-economies-and-theyre-diverging-fast/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/america-has-two-economies.... (2019)

hshdhdhj4444 1y ago

> Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased in 48 states and the District of Columbia > Personal income, in current dollars, increased in all 50 states and the District of Columbia in the fourth quarter of 2024 These are from your link. Where did you get the idea that red states are the only ones that grow? GDP growth is higher in red states in that link, but red states also received something like 80–90% of the funding from the trillion dollars or so passed by the Democratic Congress and President. Also to see how this actually plays out, compare CA to TX. gdp Growth in TX is much higher. But personal income growth in CA is much higher than in TX.

chrisco255 1y ago
Yeah ~1% growth is anemic while states like Arkansas are growing at more than 5%. California is losing population at all income levels. Texas is growing. Meanwhile the personal income growth is about the same between the two.

nebula8804 1y ago

Its all a giant scam: Red states block anything and everything that could help anyone but themselves. To "compromise" Dems put investments into bills that help Red states in the hopes that something will get passed(Sometimes it still fails). Examples include all these battery factories being located in purple states so that those senators will be forced to vote for the package. Dems help out the red states just to try and move the needle forward. Red politicians then get elected and further cut things that help Blue states. See all the medicaid cuts, soon social security, last trump admin cut the homeowner tax exemptions that mainly helped blue states, cutting tax benefits that encouraged companies to hire software engineers and timing it so that it takes place after trump left office. Red states typically get more out then they put in in terms of taxes: https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-contribute-the-most-and-least-to-federal-revenue/ https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-contribute-the-mo... The blue states are held hostage by the Red states because of the structure of the system(a mess left over from the post Civil War). You can argue that Blue states drag the rest of the country kicking and screaming into the future: Ex: The California CARB mandates setting emission standards forcing manufacturers to adopt their standard for emissions, The East and West coast define culture in the arts that the rest of the world see and knows as American, top universities are where the future ways of thinking are challenged and explored. Every time the Red side gets into power they try to claw back even this stuff so that the Blue states are essentially nothing more than vassals contributing more but getting little back in return. Blue states need a Democratic party that will play extremely dirty just like the Republicans.

chrisco255 1y ago
Battery factories are being placed in red states because they're still largely functional governments with fast go-to-market permitting and are pro-growth in general. Tesla built their new HQ (which is the largest building in the country) in Texas in 14 months, which would be impossible to do in California. It would take 5 years if they allowed them to do it at all. Blue states have ineffective, slow, dysfunctional governments that tax heavily and regulate heavily. They also do indescribably stupid things, like Prop 47 in CA. Red state / blue state categories have nothing to do with the civil war. CA wasn't even in the civil war, obviously, and for the longest time, they were a red state (until the early 90s). All of California's foundational industries (tech, entertainment, agriculture, aerospace, etc) were brought there when it was red.
- tzs 1y ago
  What in particular do you disagree with in Prop 47?
  - chrisco255 1y ago
    Criminals should be punished, actually. Legalizing crime or treating it as an unserious problem leads to situations like you have in SF and LA today, with window smashings and retail theft etc. highly common despite recent improvements in law enforcement.
    - tzs 1y ago
      The biggest change I recall it making is raising the boundary between misdemeanor and felony from $400 to $950, but raising that is something that most states were doing in the first couple of decades of this century, with most going to $1000 or $1500. $950 is the 12th lowest. It's hard to blame increased crime on that since so many other states (big and small, red and blue) have a higher limit.
    - supertimor 1y ago
      As the other poster pointed out, California, in fact, has one of the lowest felony theft thresholds out of any of the states. In fact, it has the 12th lowest felony threshold in the union. [1] Of the top 15 states with the highest felony thresholds, only 4 of them are Democratic states. Two states are purple (but have voted red in the last election). So, it would seem Republicans states actually tend to have the highest felony threshold amounts across the US. It was actually Oklahoma who started the trend to increase the felony threshold in the early 2000s. Do you want to know which states have the highest felony theft thresholds? It’s Texas and Wisconsin at $2500. In 2014, California went from a threshold of $400 to $950. In 2015, Texas went from a threshold of $1500 to $2500, so California’s threshold has always been much lower even in the recent past. [2] On top of that, California actually repealed parts of prop 47 in 2024. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-theft-amount-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-thef... [2] https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2017/04/the-effects-of-changing-felony-theft-thresholds https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-bri...