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To where will these scientists go? Europe, only those willing to accept much lower wages and more bureaucracy. China, unlikely to even accept them. Rest of the
by constantcrying 1y ago
To where will these scientists go? Europe, only those willing to accept much lower wages and more bureaucracy. China, unlikely to even accept them. Rest of the world, far fewer resources and often far more doubtful regimes.
- runsWphotons 1y agoIt is weird that this is downvoted. No one else is close to making up the funding. And Harvard is just ignoring requests from DHS? They were warned for a month? If the Secretary of Homeland Security sends a letter requesting information, do you not have to comply?
- hshdhdhj4444 1y agoNo, not if the demands are blatantly illegal. And the US does have the first amendment which a whole bunch of right wing free speech warriors start whining about immediately the moment someone criticizes them in public, but in reality the first amendment exists primarily to protect private speech (defined broadly, including things like making your own hiring decisions, etc) from government censorship.
- thrance 1y agoIf the demands are illegal, then yeah, by any means, you shouldn't comply. Do resist a criminal state that's using intimidation instead of laws, isn't this the American spirit?
- runsWphotons 1y agoIs there a good analysis of which demands are illegal? Is Harvard suing? I sort of agree with you, but also don't buy into the victim narrative from Harvard, which has been happy to comply with illegal requests before and has clearly violated Civil Rights laws for years.
- runsWphotons 1y agoThe Harvard Crimson seems to have done a decent job in a couple articles. It seems some of the request is legal, and some is broad so they don't know what to do. They were probably waiting for this action to file a lawsuit, since now they can argue they complied.
- ChemSpider 1y agoYou think of CEO salaries. PhD students and PostDocs earn more (or at least equal) in most of Europe compared to even the US top universities. Harvard Postdoc salary: $67,600 Germany Postdoc salary: ~$80,000 plus benefits like health insurance
- runsWphotons 1y agoIt is about grant money, not salaries.
- constantcrying 1y agoThat is hysterical. You know that salaries for most universities are public in Germany? You can just look up your ridiculous lies. https://vertretungen.hu-berlin.de/de/personalrat/tarif https://vertretungen.hu-berlin.de/de/personalrat/tarif The highest possible salary anyone in the university gets is 96k Euros. That is 64k Euros a year after taxes.
- ChemSpider 1y agoDid you actually read the page you linked??? It supports exactly what I wrote. Just keep in mind that the latest salary data there is for 2022. The postdoc salaries I quoted are for 2024, of course. Source: https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdoc-or-professor-earn/ https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdo... "Most doctoral positions and some postdoc positions will be categorized as TV-L 13, which can range from about €4630 to €6580 (gross monthly salary). The exact salary is determined by your years of experience." -> €6000*12 -> 72K Euro, ~US$ 80K And that is without including the various social benefits. > The highest possible salary anyone in the university gets is 96k Euros. That is wrong, too. But not the topic of my post.
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- blueflow 1y agoThe link your parent posted is current. The Entgelttabelle there was last updated in 2022. Also the PDF's (Tarifvertrag, Entgelttabelle) linked there are the authoritative source for this information - they are the legal document defining it.
- aqme28 1y agoSalaries are definitely lower in Europe for seasoned professionals, but for students I don't think that holds.
- enaaem 1y agoIf scientists are out of a job, then Europe can pick them up at a discount.
- herbst 1y agoSwitzerland reporting in. Lower wages? More burocracy? You must be confusing something