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Weird. Both Mozilla and Glitch are doing something on July 8. Is there something significant about that day? "On July 8, 2025 Glitch project hosting and user

Weird. Both Mozilla and Glitch are doing something on July 8. Is there something significant about that day? "On July 8, 2025 Glitch project hosting and user profiles will be shut down." "We’ve made the difficult decision to shut down Pocket on July 8, 2025."

altano 1y ago
I think it's pretty common for more than one thing to happen on most days.
- skwashd 1y ago
  It isn't unheard of for 2 companies to announce a shutdown on the same day. What is less common is for them to both announce it on the same day and last day isn't 4 weeks/30 days. When I saw this announcement after seeing pocket earlier, I immediately started to wonder if there was a regulatory change on 8 July.
  - aspenmayer 1y ago
    DOJ starts enforcement of the new DSP on that date, for one thing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44071372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44071372
aspenmayer 1y ago
This was all I could find, but it actually may be related? https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-implements-critical-national-security-program-protect-americans-sensitive https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-implements... > As explained in NSD’s Data Security Program Implementation and Enforcement Policy Through July 8, 2025, NSD will not prioritize civil enforcement actions against any person for violations of the Data Security Program that occur from April 8 through July 8, 2025, so long as the person is engaging in good faith efforts to comply with or come into compliance with the Data Security Program during that time. These efforts include engaging in compliance activities described in that policy, such as amending or renegotiating existing contracts, conducting internal reviews of data flows, deploying the CISA security requirements, and so on. > At the end of this 90-day period, individuals, and entities should be in full compliance with the DSP. This policy does not limit NSD’s lawful authority and discretion to pursue civil enforcement if entities and individuals did not engage in good faith efforts to comply with, or come into compliance with, the Data Security Program.
- rafram 1y ago
  > the Data Security Program establishes what are effectively export controls that prevent foreign adversaries, and those subject to their control, jurisdiction, ownership, and direction, from accessing U.S. government-related data and bulk genomic, geolocation, biometric, health, financial, and other sensitive personal data How do you think this could be related?
  - aspenmayer 1y ago
    >> the Data Security Program establishes what are effectively export controls that prevent foreign adversaries, and those subject to their control, jurisdiction, ownership, and direction, from accessing U.S. government-related data and bulk genomic, geolocation, biometric, health, financial, and other sensitive personal data > How do you think this could be related? I didn't quote that when I said it may be related. I have some ideas of my own, but I just want to be clear so that I'm not being held to account for things I never said. How do you think it may be related? People in other threads on this post were saying that Glitch was being used by bad actors, and if Glitch was aware of this or reasonably should be, then they would likely have issues with complying with audits for compliance with the new order, I would think.
    - rafram 1y ago
      You linked to that announcement. I quoted the most substantive section explaining what the DSP is. Reading that description, it’s pretty clear that it has absolutely nothing to do with Glitch (or Pocket). Glitch isn’t a data broker.
      - aspenmayer 1y ago
        > You linked to that announcement. I quoted the most substantive section explaining what the DSP is. Reading that description, it’s pretty clear that it has absolutely nothing to do with Glitch (or Pocket). Glitch isn’t a data broker. If anonymous people are abusing free tiers on Glitch, it's hard to say if some of those bad actors are also foreign adversaries. People will make C2C infra out of anything these days, and even if they were making a net profit on the whole enterprise, which remains to be seen, perhaps the costs of compliance for Glitch (or Pocket) were not worth paying. I went out of my way to do original research for HN, and made a case for why I think the results are respondent to the original query as asked. I think that it's likely that the new parent company of Glitch, Fastly, is subject to the DSP, and that obligation probably extends to their subsidiaries. Same for Pocket and Mozilla. It's clear to me that this situation deserves further study.

altano 1y ago

I think it's pretty common for more than one thing to happen on most days.

skwashd 1y ago
It isn't unheard of for 2 companies to announce a shutdown on the same day. What is less common is for them to both announce it on the same day and last day isn't 4 weeks/30 days. When I saw this announcement after seeing pocket earlier, I immediately started to wonder if there was a regulatory change on 8 July.
- aspenmayer 1y ago
  DOJ starts enforcement of the new DSP on that date, for one thing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44071372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44071372

aspenmayer 1y ago

This was all I could find, but it actually may be related? https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-implements-critical-national-security-program-protect-americans-sensitive https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-implements... > As explained in NSD’s Data Security Program Implementation and Enforcement Policy Through July 8, 2025, NSD will not prioritize civil enforcement actions against any person for violations of the Data Security Program that occur from April 8 through July 8, 2025, so long as the person is engaging in good faith efforts to comply with or come into compliance with the Data Security Program during that time. These efforts include engaging in compliance activities described in that policy, such as amending or renegotiating existing contracts, conducting internal reviews of data flows, deploying the CISA security requirements, and so on. > At the end of this 90-day period, individuals, and entities should be in full compliance with the DSP. This policy does not limit NSD’s lawful authority and discretion to pursue civil enforcement if entities and individuals did not engage in good faith efforts to comply with, or come into compliance with, the Data Security Program.

rafram 1y ago
> the Data Security Program establishes what are effectively export controls that prevent foreign adversaries, and those subject to their control, jurisdiction, ownership, and direction, from accessing U.S. government-related data and bulk genomic, geolocation, biometric, health, financial, and other sensitive personal data How do you think this could be related?
- aspenmayer 1y ago
  >> the Data Security Program establishes what are effectively export controls that prevent foreign adversaries, and those subject to their control, jurisdiction, ownership, and direction, from accessing U.S. government-related data and bulk genomic, geolocation, biometric, health, financial, and other sensitive personal data > How do you think this could be related? I didn't quote that when I said it may be related. I have some ideas of my own, but I just want to be clear so that I'm not being held to account for things I never said. How do you think it may be related? People in other threads on this post were saying that Glitch was being used by bad actors, and if Glitch was aware of this or reasonably should be, then they would likely have issues with complying with audits for compliance with the new order, I would think.
  - rafram 1y ago
    You linked to that announcement. I quoted the most substantive section explaining what the DSP is. Reading that description, it’s pretty clear that it has absolutely nothing to do with Glitch (or Pocket). Glitch isn’t a data broker.
    - aspenmayer 1y ago
      > You linked to that announcement. I quoted the most substantive section explaining what the DSP is. Reading that description, it’s pretty clear that it has absolutely nothing to do with Glitch (or Pocket). Glitch isn’t a data broker. If anonymous people are abusing free tiers on Glitch, it's hard to say if some of those bad actors are also foreign adversaries. People will make C2C infra out of anything these days, and even if they were making a net profit on the whole enterprise, which remains to be seen, perhaps the costs of compliance for Glitch (or Pocket) were not worth paying. I went out of my way to do original research for HN, and made a case for why I think the results are respondent to the original query as asked. I think that it's likely that the new parent company of Glitch, Fastly, is subject to the DSP, and that obligation probably extends to their subsidiaries. Same for Pocket and Mozilla. It's clear to me that this situation deserves further study.