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Modern dog ownership has redefined family and parenting

12 points by nreece 1y ago

nreece 1y ago
From the article: " The authors are currently running a new study to deepen the understanding of the dog-human relationship. Dog owners across the world are invited to answer the following questionnaire: https://tally.so/r/nPXKPb https://tally.so/r/nPXKPb "
- QodeQode 1y ago
  did the survey. very badly designed. asked wrong questions. ambiguous questions. and double negatives
bmink 1y ago
> The authors of the study also propose alternative ways of thinking about the dog-human bond, blending the characteristics of different human relationships – not only the child-parent relationship, but also friendship and partnership - resulting in a unique bond with its own dynamics. This is only towards the end of the article but addresses what was bothering me throughout it all — that having dogs is only viewed here through the lens of how it relates to having children. What if some people (like me) simply 1) like dogs 2) don’t want children, and there’s no link?
BillyTheMage 1y ago
Can't stand people who go out of their way to own animals. If an animal befriends you or you rescue one, that's great. But being a "dog person" and when your old dog dies you feel the need to go out and "get" another dog... no different than those Victorian era rich folk throwing bread crumbs on the ground so they could watch hungry colony children scraffle around for it, and then act like they're doing them a good deed. Just letting you feel superior. That or you're just selfish and feel entitled to own people. Either way it's evil.
- gattilorenz 1y ago
  I imagine you feel the same way with people using IVF pr other techniques to get children?
  - BillyTheMage 1y ago
    I do feel the same way about those people. I can't imagine a scenario where you want anything that bad and are not objectifying it. The simple fact is that the idea of "getting" or "having" people is bad. Doesn't matter if they want to be good parents. No different than wanting a colored boy at the house. Sure it might make you happy, but the whole idea and the ideas underpinning those thoughts are disgusting and evil.
    - Tadpole9181 1y ago
      You think a couple struggling to have children is the same as someone who wants a slave? That's genuinely unhinged.
      - BillyTheMage 1y ago
        I'm open to reinterpretation but I simply can't see how it's different. They've objectified a person. It's not a person they know and formed a relationship with. They wanted a "child" object "for" their lives (for themselves) so bad they spent money, went to a doctor, probably cried about it. They call it "unfair" that they didn't get the standard-issue fairy tale everyone is supposed to get. They feel cheated, as if they were entitled to it. The "child" is not a person to them, it's an object. It's a fungible token. They could have ended up with a different person and they wouldn't care; the child role is filled and so the fairy tale is complete. I can tell you personally what happens when this person (the one they call "child") decides to go their own way in life contrary to the wishes of the owner/parent. Ostracism, coercion, blackmail, abuse, manipulation. Such disappointment that the person called "child" didn't follow the predetermined procedure, the fairy tale. It didn't do what it was programmed to do and they feel cheated.
- throwaeay 1y ago

12 points by nreece 1y ago

From the article: " The authors are currently running a new study to deepen the understanding of the dog-human relationship. Dog owners across the world are invited to answer the following questionnaire: https://tally.so/r/nPXKPb https://tally.so/r/nPXKPb "

QodeQode 1y ago
did the survey. very badly designed. asked wrong questions. ambiguous questions. and double negatives

bmink 1y ago

> The authors of the study also propose alternative ways of thinking about the dog-human bond, blending the characteristics of different human relationships – not only the child-parent relationship, but also friendship and partnership - resulting in a unique bond with its own dynamics. This is only towards the end of the article but addresses what was bothering me throughout it all — that having dogs is only viewed here through the lens of how it relates to having children. What if some people (like me) simply 1) like dogs 2) don’t want children, and there’s no link?

BillyTheMage 1y ago

Can't stand people who go out of their way to own animals. If an animal befriends you or you rescue one, that's great. But being a "dog person" and when your old dog dies you feel the need to go out and "get" another dog... no different than those Victorian era rich folk throwing bread crumbs on the ground so they could watch hungry colony children scraffle around for it, and then act like they're doing them a good deed. Just letting you feel superior. That or you're just selfish and feel entitled to own people. Either way it's evil.

gattilorenz 1y ago
I imagine you feel the same way with people using IVF pr other techniques to get children?
- BillyTheMage 1y ago
  I do feel the same way about those people. I can't imagine a scenario where you want anything that bad and are not objectifying it. The simple fact is that the idea of "getting" or "having" people is bad. Doesn't matter if they want to be good parents. No different than wanting a colored boy at the house. Sure it might make you happy, but the whole idea and the ideas underpinning those thoughts are disgusting and evil.
  - Tadpole9181 1y ago
    You think a couple struggling to have children is the same as someone who wants a slave? That's genuinely unhinged.
    - BillyTheMage 1y ago
      I'm open to reinterpretation but I simply can't see how it's different. They've objectified a person. It's not a person they know and formed a relationship with. They wanted a "child" object "for" their lives (for themselves) so bad they spent money, went to a doctor, probably cried about it. They call it "unfair" that they didn't get the standard-issue fairy tale everyone is supposed to get. They feel cheated, as if they were entitled to it. The "child" is not a person to them, it's an object. It's a fungible token. They could have ended up with a different person and they wouldn't care; the child role is filled and so the fairy tale is complete. I can tell you personally what happens when this person (the one they call "child") decides to go their own way in life contrary to the wishes of the owner/parent. Ostracism, coercion, blackmail, abuse, manipulation. Such disappointment that the person called "child" didn't follow the predetermined procedure, the fairy tale. It didn't do what it was programmed to do and they feel cheated.
throwaeay 1y ago