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One of the people involved in this "project" worked for me, and then during their term of working for me, worked very hard behind my back against me. I only fou

by neom 1y ago

One of the people involved in this "project" worked for me, and then during their term of working for me, worked very hard behind my back against me. I only found out about the project after I was fired and they had taken control of my startup, and I have to say: I wasn't at all surprised.

Loughla 1y ago
How do you get fired from your own startup? I'm not involved in these things, but it seems like if you're the creator, you can't get fired?
- neom 1y ago
  Can't lead if nobody will follow. It was also my own fault- I'm not blaming them. They were a key leader in my exec team and I found out after they: hated startup, hated capitalism, and hated me.
  - BLKNSLVR 1y ago
    Wow, so they were a 'mole' from the beginning who only joined with the intention of destroying it? That's sociopathic.
    - neom 1y ago
      I don't think it was that insidious. Once venture dollars got involved and we started to hire more "business people" - the folks who liked the social aspects of our work got turned off and became emotional, leading to a lot of shadow work I was totally unaware of, ultimately resulting in my ousting. I want to be clear: I have responsibility in the situation also, I was the CEO and it was my failure. I ultimately mismanaged.
      - brookside 1y ago
        I'm absolutely intrigued by your story and want to hear a fuller account, if there's any chance you are willing.
        neom 1y ago
        Oh I'm sure there will be a book, this was my lead investor (who is now dead): https://nypost.com/2021/03/05/man-who-fatally-beat-law-order-actresss-dog-gets-probation/ https://nypost.com/2021/03/05/man-who-fatally-beat-law-order... I'm still processing the whole thing myself to be honest, it was all quite a lot, traumatic, but once day I'll write a book about it.
        joshstrange 1y ago
        WTF…. > Dardaris had entrusted her pooches to the care of a dog-sitter, who was Tang’s then-girlfriend, in the fall of 2019 while she acted in a play in South Carolina, she previously told The Post. > Tang snuck into his girlfriend’s apartment when she wasn’t home and viciously tortured Dardaris’s white-furred companions Oct. 24, 2019. > After fatally beating Alex, Tang was accused of taking Frankie to the building’s rooftop and punching, throwing and kicking him. And he served no jail time and just got a slap on the wrist. Completely insane behavior, who does that?
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    - vkou 1y ago
      Or, perhaps, the parent poster is not giving us a holistic picture of what occurred.
      - idiotsecant 1y ago
        [flagged]
        uoaei 1y ago
        On a forum where ideology is most often unexamined, or waved away purely in terms of profit, this one-sided and biased account should be treated with the appropriate context in mind.
      - ghushn3 1y ago
        The moment the OP said "they were anticapitalist!" like this was some sort of terrible black mark on their souls it became very clear the story being sold was one sided. It reads very much like two parties got into one startup for different reasons. The OP wanted to make some money, others felt there were other motivations to pursue, OP stopped paying attention (or never had the trust of the other parties) and it all fell apart.
        breppp 1y ago
        The story is currently one sided because it makes a lot of sense. You got someone who is known to "fight against the man" in an an anti-social way, that has self proclaimed anti-capitalist tendencies, and that joins the ultimate instance of capitalism of all, ventured backed startup what could go wrong
    - uoaei 1y ago
      That assumption certainly isn't warranted. More like, they had some skills and some opportunity to benefit from them, then realized that ideologically they were far from accepting the status quo as expressed through the innumerable decisions and actions over the course of participating in that enterprise.
- dylan604 1y ago
  it happens when you give up control to receiving funding. read your term sheets carefully and do not let those $$$ blur your vision on a bad contract. once a VC has done due diligence and you've shared all of your internal IP with them, you'd have to be one special snowflake to not be able to be replaced.
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Boogie_Man 1y ago
You should get a video crew to document you confronting them and release it as a competing film. "Getting he ass 4: Chasing ideologues"
subjectsigma 1y ago
Without knowing them, this seems exactly like the behavior of someone who thinks they can steal from others (mall owners) because those people are “in the wrong” (soulless capitalists). And yes, unless they were running their own generator somehow, which the article doesn’t seem to imply, they were stealing
- bigyabai 1y ago
  It sounds like they succeeded. If they can exploit a company's resources to their express advantage while not being a large enough problem to deal with, then capitalism is at a net loss. Getting the system to work against these types means investing in after-hours mall security, or getting investors to care about your hostile takeover situation. If the responsible individuals can't be assed to find a solution, then yeah, tough luck. The mall is theirs, the company is theirs too. I applaud this kind of creative individualism. It should scare the people who think they're entitled to private property even when someone smarter comes along to whistle their same tune.
  - subjectsigma 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      You just quoted an article you can't link, casually citing conclusions you cannot prove. And I'm the socially dysfunctional one for not observing the unwritten rules of strip mall etiquette. If the little rat fools the big rat into losing, they still lost. In business, in resource competition and in legal proceedings too.
    - tomhow 1y ago
      > You are less socially developed than a rat. Please edit swipes out of comments. It's one of the first and most important things we ask for in the Comments section of the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
gthompson512 1y ago
Sorry I read about this way long ago, what is meant by "worked for me" "project", "behind my back" and such. I didn't get the connotations for most of that from reading articles about this. What is the real story?

by neom 1y ago

Loughla 1y ago

How do you get fired from your own startup? I'm not involved in these things, but it seems like if you're the creator, you can't get fired?

neom 1y ago
Can't lead if nobody will follow. It was also my own fault- I'm not blaming them. They were a key leader in my exec team and I found out after they: hated startup, hated capitalism, and hated me.
- BLKNSLVR 1y ago
  Wow, so they were a 'mole' from the beginning who only joined with the intention of destroying it? That's sociopathic.
  - neom 1y ago
    I don't think it was that insidious. Once venture dollars got involved and we started to hire more "business people" - the folks who liked the social aspects of our work got turned off and became emotional, leading to a lot of shadow work I was totally unaware of, ultimately resulting in my ousting. I want to be clear: I have responsibility in the situation also, I was the CEO and it was my failure. I ultimately mismanaged.
    - brookside 1y ago
      I'm absolutely intrigued by your story and want to hear a fuller account, if there's any chance you are willing.
      - neom 1y ago
        Oh I'm sure there will be a book, this was my lead investor (who is now dead): https://nypost.com/2021/03/05/man-who-fatally-beat-law-order-actresss-dog-gets-probation/ https://nypost.com/2021/03/05/man-who-fatally-beat-law-order... I'm still processing the whole thing myself to be honest, it was all quite a lot, traumatic, but once day I'll write a book about it.
        joshstrange 1y ago
        WTF…. > Dardaris had entrusted her pooches to the care of a dog-sitter, who was Tang’s then-girlfriend, in the fall of 2019 while she acted in a play in South Carolina, she previously told The Post. > Tang snuck into his girlfriend’s apartment when she wasn’t home and viciously tortured Dardaris’s white-furred companions Oct. 24, 2019. > After fatally beating Alex, Tang was accused of taking Frankie to the building’s rooftop and punching, throwing and kicking him. And he served no jail time and just got a slap on the wrist. Completely insane behavior, who does that?
        deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]
  - vkou 1y ago
    Or, perhaps, the parent poster is not giving us a holistic picture of what occurred.
    - idiotsecant 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - uoaei 1y ago
        On a forum where ideology is most often unexamined, or waved away purely in terms of profit, this one-sided and biased account should be treated with the appropriate context in mind.
    - ghushn3 1y ago
      The moment the OP said "they were anticapitalist!" like this was some sort of terrible black mark on their souls it became very clear the story being sold was one sided. It reads very much like two parties got into one startup for different reasons. The OP wanted to make some money, others felt there were other motivations to pursue, OP stopped paying attention (or never had the trust of the other parties) and it all fell apart.
      - breppp 1y ago
        The story is currently one sided because it makes a lot of sense. You got someone who is known to "fight against the man" in an an anti-social way, that has self proclaimed anti-capitalist tendencies, and that joins the ultimate instance of capitalism of all, ventured backed startup what could go wrong
  - uoaei 1y ago
    That assumption certainly isn't warranted. More like, they had some skills and some opportunity to benefit from them, then realized that ideologically they were far from accepting the status quo as expressed through the innumerable decisions and actions over the course of participating in that enterprise.
dylan604 1y ago
it happens when you give up control to receiving funding. read your term sheets carefully and do not let those $$$ blur your vision on a bad contract. once a VC has done due diligence and you've shared all of your internal IP with them, you'd have to be one special snowflake to not be able to be replaced.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]

Boogie_Man 1y ago

You should get a video crew to document you confronting them and release it as a competing film. "Getting he ass 4: Chasing ideologues"

subjectsigma 1y ago

Without knowing them, this seems exactly like the behavior of someone who thinks they can steal from others (mall owners) because those people are “in the wrong” (soulless capitalists). And yes, unless they were running their own generator somehow, which the article doesn’t seem to imply, they were stealing

bigyabai 1y ago
It sounds like they succeeded. If they can exploit a company's resources to their express advantage while not being a large enough problem to deal with, then capitalism is at a net loss. Getting the system to work against these types means investing in after-hours mall security, or getting investors to care about your hostile takeover situation. If the responsible individuals can't be assed to find a solution, then yeah, tough luck. The mall is theirs, the company is theirs too. I applaud this kind of creative individualism. It should scare the people who think they're entitled to private property even when someone smarter comes along to whistle their same tune.
- subjectsigma 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    You just quoted an article you can't link, casually citing conclusions you cannot prove. And I'm the socially dysfunctional one for not observing the unwritten rules of strip mall etiquette. If the little rat fools the big rat into losing, they still lost. In business, in resource competition and in legal proceedings too.
  - tomhow 1y ago
    > You are less socially developed than a rat. Please edit swipes out of comments. It's one of the first and most important things we ask for in the Comments section of the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

gthompson512 1y ago

Sorry I read about this way long ago, what is meant by "worked for me" "project", "behind my back" and such. I didn't get the connotations for most of that from reading articles about this. What is the real story?