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Private schools can create and enforce their own rules how they wish. The United States government is forbidden from creating or enforcing rules on content of s

Private schools can create and enforce their own rules how they wish. The United States government is forbidden from creating or enforcing rules on content of speech. It's actually only a 1st Amendment question in one case and not the other. Looks like they tricked ya though! (Technically it's a 1st Amendment question in both cases in that private entities have a 1st Amendment right to create rules for their own campuses)

ty6853 1y ago
In regards to protest though, the activity they are interested in, that is a right of 'the people to peaceably assemble' per 1A. Non-immigrants are not 'the people' per current interpretation of the constitution. If they were people, they would have all the rights ascribed to 'the people' including right to bear arms. Non immigrants do not have a right to bear arms, thus it cannot logically follow they are [the] people.
- bigyabai 1y ago
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  - ty6853 1y ago
    You can read here, but in short 'the people' are those who are members of the 'political community' according to certain criteria. Generally this doesn't include non-immigrants. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.214190/gov.uscourts.ca5.214190.103.1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.214...
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  > immigrants are not 'the people' per current interpretation of the constitution. Not true. The meaning of "the people" is interpreted differently from Amendment to Amendment. In the 1st and 5th Amendments, it has historically been interpreted to include non-citizens (even illegal ones!) while in the 2nd Amendment it has been interpreted much more narrowly. And regardless, this in no way authorizes the government to compel Harvard to do anything. Even in the most fascist interpretation you can dream up, it would mean the government itself is allowed to curtail their assembly. Harvard has no obligations (under the 1st Amendment!) to do any such thing.
  - ty6853 1y ago
    I'm not sure anyone can take seriously the proposition that 'the people' is Jekyll and Hyded amendment by amendment, especially when the constitution is completely devoid of any suggestion it is interpreted as such.
    - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
      That's a huge bummer because that is very clearly and unequivocally what the case law shows.
      - ty6853 1y ago
        Constitution is the supreme law. The constitution does not make an amendment by amendment distinction what 'the people' is.
        sorcerer-mar 1y ago
        Ah... I see we're dealing with a much more fundamental misunderstanding than I thought! Are you American/did you attend American middle or high schools?
        ty6853 1y ago
        >he meaning of "the people" is interpreted differently from Amendment to Amendment. In the 1st and 5th Amendments, I went to the one where they didn't teach 'the people' was written anywhere in the 5th amendment. I'm definitely not being interested in being lectured by those who think imaginary words exist in the 5th amendment.
        sorcerer-mar 1y ago
        Whoops! That was meant to be a 4. But yeah, like a 7th grade civics class (in the US) would’ve educated you on the role of case law as it relates to interpreting the Constitution. Presumably your home country didn’t spend much time on it though, which makes sense!
gosub100 1y ago
And private schools can suffer the consequences of oppressing certain groups.
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  They sure can! You can choose not to attend them. You can go stand on public property and yell at them. Under the US Constitution, "the consequences" are absolutely not allowed to include weaponization of the State through coercion, punishment, or threat to control what the public thinks. Fascist goobers skipping out on their "Basics of Being an American" course lmao
  - gosub100 1y ago
    And I can vote for Trump who will cast shame and doubt on their reputation and damage them as far as his authority allows. I have no sympathy for any of them: students, administration, professors that plagiarized their way to the top, those who had connections to Epstein. Burn it down
    - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
      Well no, he's extending well beyond his authority. That's the whole problem, and you're sitting here making excuses. You don't need to have sympathy for them. You need to respect the US Constitution's protection for them nonetheless. Or just admit that you hate America, which you're also welcome to do (because America rocks)! Also, absolutely lmfao about "connections to Epstein." Bro Epstein said on tape he was Trump's best friend [0]. Trump came out and said "Epstein likes em young" decades ago [1]. Trump also said on the Apprentice that he's good friends with Diddy [2]. You're in a cult amigo. Keep these comment threads around so when you wake up from whatever daze you're in, you can inspect them closely for clues about how he managed to break your brain so thoroughly. [0]: https://www.salon.com/2024/11/03/my-closest-friend-for-10-years-epstein-discusses-friendship-in-newly-released-tapes/ https://www.salon.com/2024/11/03/my-closest-friend-for-10-ye... [1]: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ll1ZUjAB7lo https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ll1ZUjAB7lo [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBbf3c0P_fc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBbf3c0P_fc

ty6853 1y ago

In regards to protest though, the activity they are interested in, that is a right of 'the people to peaceably assemble' per 1A. Non-immigrants are not 'the people' per current interpretation of the constitution. If they were people, they would have all the rights ascribed to 'the people' including right to bear arms. Non immigrants do not have a right to bear arms, thus it cannot logically follow they are [the] people.

bigyabai 1y ago
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- ty6853 1y ago
  You can read here, but in short 'the people' are those who are members of the 'political community' according to certain criteria. Generally this doesn't include non-immigrants. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.214190/gov.uscourts.ca5.214190.103.1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.214...
sorcerer-mar 1y ago
> immigrants are not 'the people' per current interpretation of the constitution. Not true. The meaning of "the people" is interpreted differently from Amendment to Amendment. In the 1st and 5th Amendments, it has historically been interpreted to include non-citizens (even illegal ones!) while in the 2nd Amendment it has been interpreted much more narrowly. And regardless, this in no way authorizes the government to compel Harvard to do anything. Even in the most fascist interpretation you can dream up, it would mean the government itself is allowed to curtail their assembly. Harvard has no obligations (under the 1st Amendment!) to do any such thing.
- ty6853 1y ago
  I'm not sure anyone can take seriously the proposition that 'the people' is Jekyll and Hyded amendment by amendment, especially when the constitution is completely devoid of any suggestion it is interpreted as such.
  - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
    That's a huge bummer because that is very clearly and unequivocally what the case law shows.
    - ty6853 1y ago
      Constitution is the supreme law. The constitution does not make an amendment by amendment distinction what 'the people' is.
      - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
        Ah... I see we're dealing with a much more fundamental misunderstanding than I thought! Are you American/did you attend American middle or high schools?
        ty6853 1y ago
        >he meaning of "the people" is interpreted differently from Amendment to Amendment. In the 1st and 5th Amendments, I went to the one where they didn't teach 'the people' was written anywhere in the 5th amendment. I'm definitely not being interested in being lectured by those who think imaginary words exist in the 5th amendment.
        sorcerer-mar 1y ago
        Whoops! That was meant to be a 4. But yeah, like a 7th grade civics class (in the US) would’ve educated you on the role of case law as it relates to interpreting the Constitution. Presumably your home country didn’t spend much time on it though, which makes sense!

gosub100 1y ago

And private schools can suffer the consequences of oppressing certain groups.

sorcerer-mar 1y ago
They sure can! You can choose not to attend them. You can go stand on public property and yell at them. Under the US Constitution, "the consequences" are absolutely not allowed to include weaponization of the State through coercion, punishment, or threat to control what the public thinks. Fascist goobers skipping out on their "Basics of Being an American" course lmao
- gosub100 1y ago
  And I can vote for Trump who will cast shame and doubt on their reputation and damage them as far as his authority allows. I have no sympathy for any of them: students, administration, professors that plagiarized their way to the top, those who had connections to Epstein. Burn it down
  - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
    Well no, he's extending well beyond his authority. That's the whole problem, and you're sitting here making excuses. You don't need to have sympathy for them. You need to respect the US Constitution's protection for them nonetheless. Or just admit that you hate America, which you're also welcome to do (because America rocks)! Also, absolutely lmfao about "connections to Epstein." Bro Epstein said on tape he was Trump's best friend [0]. Trump came out and said "Epstein likes em young" decades ago [1]. Trump also said on the Apprentice that he's good friends with Diddy [2]. You're in a cult amigo. Keep these comment threads around so when you wake up from whatever daze you're in, you can inspect them closely for clues about how he managed to break your brain so thoroughly. [0]: https://www.salon.com/2024/11/03/my-closest-friend-for-10-years-epstein-discusses-friendship-in-newly-released-tapes/ https://www.salon.com/2024/11/03/my-closest-friend-for-10-ye... [1]: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ll1ZUjAB7lo https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ll1ZUjAB7lo [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBbf3c0P_fc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBbf3c0P_fc