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> Try steel manning in order to effectively persuade. This comment does not address the argument being made it just calls a field of study icky. Disagree (the

> Try steel manning in order to effectively persuade. This comment does not address the argument being made it just calls a field of study icky. Disagree (the article linked in the GP is a great read with extensive and specific citations) and reminder that you can just make the comment you'd like to see instead of trying to meta sea lion it into existence. Steel man away.

HDThoreaun 1y ago
The article linked is literally nothing but a collection of Alexander's comments and comments on his blog. It in no way provides any reason to believe he is wrong, it just laughs at him, strawmaning his takes.
- tptacek 1y ago
  He just wrote a piece about the Lynn IQ maps that is practically a self-parody. Nobody needs to strawman him on this topic. Here is a direct quote: Isn't It Super-Racist To Say That People In Sub-Saharan African Countries Have IQs Equivalent To Intellectually Disabled People? No. In fact, it would be super-racist not to say this! The horse is completely out of the barn on this controversy about Alexander's views.
  - HDThoreaun 1y ago
    He is 100% right that it is more racist to ignore the IQ difference between countries and therefore the factors that create them than it is to pretend all countries have the same average iq. The only way to help people who have been hurt by environmental factors that hurt development is to study those factors and who they effect.
    - tptacek 1y ago
      No, there are no such thing as IQ maps. They're fraudulent. He's defending fraudulent data. Now you understand the reaction you (and he) are getting on this.
      - HDThoreaun 1y ago
        As I said, pretending different countries don’t have different average iq is a massive mistake and only leads to people listening to the racists more. You can’t trick people on this by ignoring it.
        tptacek 1y ago
        You have no evidence to support that claim. The evidence Alexander mustered for it has been utterly discredited. The claim is itself racist! But that's not the biggest problem with it; the biggest problem is that it's fabricated. There's a reason I'm confident about this, and it's not wokeness or an overconfidence in molecular genetics or whatever. It's that there has never been a global effort to collect per-country representative average IQs. The notion that there is, somewhere, a map relating countries to IQs is a racist fever dream.

HDThoreaun 1y ago

The article linked is literally nothing but a collection of Alexander's comments and comments on his blog. It in no way provides any reason to believe he is wrong, it just laughs at him, strawmaning his takes.

tptacek 1y ago
He just wrote a piece about the Lynn IQ maps that is practically a self-parody. Nobody needs to strawman him on this topic. Here is a direct quote: Isn't It Super-Racist To Say That People In Sub-Saharan African Countries Have IQs Equivalent To Intellectually Disabled People? No. In fact, it would be super-racist not to say this! The horse is completely out of the barn on this controversy about Alexander's views.
- HDThoreaun 1y ago
  He is 100% right that it is more racist to ignore the IQ difference between countries and therefore the factors that create them than it is to pretend all countries have the same average iq. The only way to help people who have been hurt by environmental factors that hurt development is to study those factors and who they effect.
  - tptacek 1y ago
    No, there are no such thing as IQ maps. They're fraudulent. He's defending fraudulent data. Now you understand the reaction you (and he) are getting on this.
    - HDThoreaun 1y ago
      As I said, pretending different countries don’t have different average iq is a massive mistake and only leads to people listening to the racists more. You can’t trick people on this by ignoring it.
      - tptacek 1y ago
        You have no evidence to support that claim. The evidence Alexander mustered for it has been utterly discredited. The claim is itself racist! But that's not the biggest problem with it; the biggest problem is that it's fabricated. There's a reason I'm confident about this, and it's not wokeness or an overconfidence in molecular genetics or whatever. It's that there has never been a global effort to collect per-country representative average IQs. The notion that there is, somewhere, a map relating countries to IQs is a racist fever dream.