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And it doesn't make it true either Human biodiversity theories are a bunch of dogwhistles for racism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Biodiversity_Instit
by amarcheschi 1y ago
And it doesn't make it true either
Human biodiversity theories are a bunch of dogwhistles for racism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Biodiversity_Institute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Biodiversity_Institute
And his blog's survey reports a lot of users actually believing in those theories https://reflectivealtruism.com/2024/12/27/human-biodiversity-part-5-the-people-of-alexander/ https://reflectivealtruism.com/2024/12/27/human-biodiversity...
(I wasn't referring to this Ai 2027 in specific)
- HDThoreaun 1y agoTry steel manning in order to effectively persuade. This comment does not address the argument being made it just calls a field of study icky. The unfortunate reality is that shouting down questions like this only empowers the racist HBI people who are effectively leeches
- amarcheschi 1y agoScott effectively defended Lynn study on iq here https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-to-stop-worrying-and-learn-to https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-to-stop-worrying-and-le... Citing another blog post that defends it, while conveniently ignoring every other point being made by researchers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations
- HDThoreaun 1y ago[flagged]
- tptacek 1y agoThey do not in fact have a point.
- pvg 1y agoWhat is the point that they have?
- HDThoreaun 1y agohttps://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-to-stop-worrying-and-learn-to https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-to-stop-worrying-and-le...
- pvg 1y agoI've seen it. What is the point you think it makes/has?
- HDThoreaun 1y agoIntelligence distributions are not the same among the different racial groups
- pvg 1y agoOh so your idea is we shouldn't criticize scientific racists because they're right? No, we criticize them because they're wrong, the whole thing is made up pseudoscience as window-dressing for bigotry.
- HDThoreaun 1y ago[flagged]
- tptacek 1y agoIt is extremely deniable that intelligence distributions are "not the same across races" (whatever it is we might mean by "races"), and by citing Alexander as your support for that claim, your argument has become circular.
- magicalist 1y ago> Try steel manning in order to effectively persuade. This comment does not address the argument being made it just calls a field of study icky. Disagree (the article linked in the GP is a great read with extensive and specific citations) and reminder that you can just make the comment you'd like to see instead of trying to meta sea lion it into existence. Steel man away.
- HDThoreaun 1y agoThe article linked is literally nothing but a collection of Alexander's comments and comments on his blog. It in no way provides any reason to believe he is wrong, it just laughs at him, strawmaning his takes.
- tptacek 1y agoHe just wrote a piece about the Lynn IQ maps that is practically a self-parody. Nobody needs to strawman him on this topic. Here is a direct quote: Isn't It Super-Racist To Say That People In Sub-Saharan African Countries Have IQs Equivalent To Intellectually Disabled People? No. In fact, it would be super-racist not to say this! The horse is completely out of the barn on this controversy about Alexander's views.
- HDThoreaun 1y agoHe is 100% right that it is more racist to ignore the IQ difference between countries and therefore the factors that create them than it is to pretend all countries have the same average iq. The only way to help people who have been hurt by environmental factors that hurt development is to study those factors and who they effect.
- tptacek 1y agoNo, there are no such thing as IQ maps. They're fraudulent. He's defending fraudulent data. Now you understand the reaction you (and he) are getting on this.
- tptacek 1y agoHold on a sec. "HBD" is not a field of study; it's a meme ecosystem. There are (at least) two fields of actual scientific study that intersect with HBD: psychometrics, the subspecialty of psychology that deals in IQ measurement and twin studies, and molecular genetics, the quantitative subspecialty of genetics that studies correlations in the genome across large populations with marked traits (which can include things educational attainment). Neither of these fields does "IQ maps", which are an article of faith in HBD circles. As soon as someone breaks out the Lynn IQ maps, they lose the "we're just doing science" card. Alexander did a whole recent article about them. We are past the point where anybody gets to high-horse criticism of his HBD stuff as un-rigorous.
- amarcheschi 1y agoI'm not sure I understood your point. In my root comment, when I said "good point" I didn't mean good point as good, it was meant as a good point of maybe not taking seriously whatever he says. I realize it wasn't clear because reading my root comment again I'm not sure either what it was meant to be understood by the readers