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A judge has already blocked the move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-trump-revoking-international-students-legal-status-rcna208625 h
by ceejayoz 1y ago
A judge has already blocked the move.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-trump-revoking-international-students-legal-status-rcna208625 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-tr...
> A federal judge in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal statuses of international students at universities across the U.S.
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- kristjansson 1y agoI believe they've taken a different tactic here - attacking Harvard's ability to enroll international students, not the students' status directly.
- ceejayoz 1y agoThe article states "existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status"; this injunction would appear to pause that.
- ty6853 1y agoThe semester is already over, many of them went home. They'll simply be refused when they try to come back.
- firesteelrain 1y agoIt’s hard to do an injunction if there is currently no harm.
- Animats 1y agoThat's a real issue. If you're on a student visa, and were planning on coming back in the fall, leaving the US for the summer may be a bad move. Entry to the US can be denied arbitrarily. Deporting someone is harder.
- benlivengood 1y ago> Deporting someone is harder. It used to be harder and mostly seems to be a matter of ICE finding the right door to break down now.
- NewJazz 1y agoOr the wrong one.
- xethos 1y agoThey've got a deportation order, so somebody is being put on a plane to El Salvador. Whether the name of the person being deported matches the name on the deportation order is another question, but not one ICE seems bothered by anymore
- netsharc 1y agoUndergrad Buttle better watch out...
- fullstop 1y agoYou mean Tuttle, right? ;-)
- AlecSchueler 1y agoDeporting someone is just a matter of grabbing them off the street and shipping them out to El Salvador before the courts hear anything about it.
- chairmansteve 1y agoNot only refused, they may be locked up for a couple of weeks, as has happened to various tourists.
- ty6853 1y agoSure, I was locked up by DHS/immigration, and I am a US citizen. CBP/ICE/HSI doesn't really need much of anything to lock you up, when they did it to me they told me I wasn't even under arrest.
- mandeepj 1y ago> Sure, I was locked up by DHS/immigration, and I am a US citizen. Can you expand - what happened?
- Terr_ 1y agoIANAL but there are different categories like "detained" [reasonable suspicion, for questioning] and "arrested" [probable cause], and that's why the common advice is to just ask "am I free to go", which doesn't get bogged-down on finer-grained distinctions about why you might no be.
- ty6853 1y agoYes chained ("detained") in a jail cell, but not arrested, so no right to lawyer.
- gtirloni 1y agoICE begs to differ.
- semiquaver 1y agoThis is not the same issue. Judges can be fast, but not that fast. Both the decision and this action against Harvard happened within an hour of eachother.
- dragonwriter 1y ago> This is not the same issue. It is not, but it isn't unrelated; this is about the individual actions for which Harvard's refusal to assist by proactively supplying information is the basis for the action against Harvard.
- mperham 1y agoIt doesn’t matter, the damage is done. If you’re an international student, are you going to risk an El Salvador gulag?
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- platevoltage 1y agoIf people are being deported without a hearing, it literally doesn't matter. You or I can be deported if we don't get a chance to prove our status.
- fullstop 1y agoThe government has already revoked student visas, the next step is deporting them to El Salvador.
- dragonwriter 1y agoOr Libya [0] or <random_third_country>. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/09/libya-deportations-immigrants-trump https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/09/libya-deport... [1] e.g., https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/20/trump-administration-deported-migrants-south-sudan https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/20/trump-admini...
- cherryteastain 1y agoThere were many recent instances of even long term US permanent residents being sent to immigration detention centers. Maybe El Salvador gulag is an exaggeration, but being sent to a squalid prison is a very real possibility. Here's one from yesterday [1]. What's preventing them from doing the same to a student? Also, most people affected by this will not be the son/daughter of the president of a foreign country or a billionaire. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/green-card-holder-detained-ice-immigration-2075236 https://www.newsweek.com/green-card-holder-detained-ice-immi...
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- brazzy 1y agoWhat judges say doesn't matter anymore to this administration. They'll just implement it anyway.
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- mousethatroared 1y agoNationwide injunctions are going the way of the dodo
- paulryanrogers 1y agoWith population outgrowing our capped judiciary, making access to courts increasingly pay to play, this means even less accountability for the executive branch.
- mousethatroared 1y agoThe judiciary doesn't have to be capped. Thats on Congress
- yandie 1y agoI don't think this decision can force the Department of State to issue new visas for Havard students unfortunately. At least existing students *might* be alright...
- klipt 1y agoThe house republicans have passed a bill that in effect lets Trump override the courts: https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-hidden-provision-in-the-big-ugly https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-hidden-provision-in-t...
- fluidcruft 1y agoPresumably you mean it would if it were passed into law. The House passes all sorts of bullshit that dies in the Senate.
- klipt 1y agoHopefully it dies, but republicans do have a senate majority too.
- zappb 1y agoThey don’t have 60 senators which is required to pass anything besides the budget these days thanks to the filibuster.
- jmye 1y agoIf Republicans believe they will never lose the Senate, they can easily bypass the filibuster without 60 votes. To date, the adults in the room prevented either party from doing this for short term wins, but a) there are no adults in the room and b) it’s arguable the Senate will never again have a non-Republican majority (demographically, not a conspiracy theory).
- EGreg 1y agoI remember the same was said when GOP lost horribly in 2008 and Dems rode Obama’s coattails. The GOP was supposed to never recover. Demographically they were in a significant minority. Then they hatched REDMAP…
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