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Congress Just Took a Sledgehammer to the EV Industry. Here's What It Means

8 points by coloneltcb 1y ago

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platevoltage 1y ago
>America is about to fall behind. America? Fall behind in the auto industry? America has been behind in the auto industry for decades. EVs could have given the American auto industry a fighting chance to pull ahead, but for some reason, we have a ton of people who couldn't point to the location spark plug on an engine who have VERY strong opinions on internal combustion engines because for some reason, EVs, and oil company profits have become politicized. Now China will become a formidable producer of vehicles around the world. Go America.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  If you had told me that I was going to be a US citizen cheering on China against the US, I would have been somewhat incredulous, but here we are. I suppose you could say it’s commentary or observations on how quickly the political winds can shift.
  - floxy 1y ago
    I mean, maybe it should continue, but aren't we forgetting that this isn't the first time the EV tax credit went away? At one time, it only applied to the first 200,000 EVs that a company produced. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17563908/tesla-federal-tax-credit-ending-date https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17563908/tesla-federal-ta... If nothing else, at least we can appreciate less-hyperbolic approach to "news" back in 2018... >But the credit was never meant to be permanent, and so a phase-out plan was drawn up, which would be triggered when an automaker delivered the 200,000th eligible car. Tesla is now the first to hit this mark. GM is close, too, while Nissan, Ford, and others still have a ways to go.
    - toomuchtodo 1y ago
      Do you believe in climate change? How fast should we try to mitigate it? Rapid EV deployment pays dividends not only in cleaner air and reduced greenhouse gas emissions, but also energy security and a reduction of transportation costs at scale. China knows this, they are smart. The US? Not so smart.
      - robocat 1y ago
        The incentives/disincentives have to match the emissions. Cheaper new cars through EV purchase incentives often don't reduce emissions. An purchase incentive which makes a second car cheap is worse for the environment. Incentives need to help encourage low emission mileage. An aligned incentive could be to increase taxes on petroleum products.
        toomuchtodo 1y ago
        > An aligned incentive could be to increase taxes on petroleum products. There is no political will for a carbon tax. A solution that is politically impossible is not a solution. https://epic.uchicago.edu/insights/2024-poll-americans-views-on-climate-change-and-policy-in-12-charts/ https://epic.uchicago.edu/insights/2024-poll-americans-views... https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/06/23/two-thirds-of-americans-think-government-should-do-more-on-climate/ https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/06/23/two-thirds-of...
        robocat 1y ago
        If tax credit incentives don't achieve lower emissions, then scrapping the credits is sensible. I tried to find a study on whether EVs do actually decrease total carbon emissions overall in the US. Embodied carbon, low mileage (second car?), high emission electricity generation, how profits are spent, etcetera, can peversely cause increased emissions. One figure I found was: Teslas 8,786 annual miles compared with 11,642 for gasoline cars (in their sample). In 2022, the average driver in the U.S. drove 13,596 miles. Incentivising very low mileage users with high carbon footprint manufacture would be environmentally unsound.
jleyank 1y ago
I assume the political environment for the next 2-4 years will make public assistance wrt charger networks (or the changes to the power grid to help such) pretty much zero. So, in addition to all of the increased difficulties in purchasing EV's, there won't be any help wrt range extension. Hopefully, they won't rip up what's already in place.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  Charging networks shouldn't need public assistance. They are privately owned, for-profit infrastructure that can stay well away from my tax dollars and national debt, thank you.

8 points by coloneltcb 1y ago

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>America is about to fall behind. America? Fall behind in the auto industry? America has been behind in the auto industry for decades. EVs could have given the American auto industry a fighting chance to pull ahead, but for some reason, we have a ton of people who couldn't point to the location spark plug on an engine who have VERY strong opinions on internal combustion engines because for some reason, EVs, and oil company profits have become politicized. Now China will become a formidable producer of vehicles around the world. Go America.

toomuchtodo 1y ago
If you had told me that I was going to be a US citizen cheering on China against the US, I would have been somewhat incredulous, but here we are. I suppose you could say it’s commentary or observations on how quickly the political winds can shift.
- floxy 1y ago
  I mean, maybe it should continue, but aren't we forgetting that this isn't the first time the EV tax credit went away? At one time, it only applied to the first 200,000 EVs that a company produced. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17563908/tesla-federal-tax-credit-ending-date https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17563908/tesla-federal-ta... If nothing else, at least we can appreciate less-hyperbolic approach to "news" back in 2018... >But the credit was never meant to be permanent, and so a phase-out plan was drawn up, which would be triggered when an automaker delivered the 200,000th eligible car. Tesla is now the first to hit this mark. GM is close, too, while Nissan, Ford, and others still have a ways to go.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    Do you believe in climate change? How fast should we try to mitigate it? Rapid EV deployment pays dividends not only in cleaner air and reduced greenhouse gas emissions, but also energy security and a reduction of transportation costs at scale. China knows this, they are smart. The US? Not so smart.
    - robocat 1y ago
      The incentives/disincentives have to match the emissions. Cheaper new cars through EV purchase incentives often don't reduce emissions. An purchase incentive which makes a second car cheap is worse for the environment. Incentives need to help encourage low emission mileage. An aligned incentive could be to increase taxes on petroleum products.
      - toomuchtodo 1y ago
        > An aligned incentive could be to increase taxes on petroleum products. There is no political will for a carbon tax. A solution that is politically impossible is not a solution. https://epic.uchicago.edu/insights/2024-poll-americans-views-on-climate-change-and-policy-in-12-charts/ https://epic.uchicago.edu/insights/2024-poll-americans-views... https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/06/23/two-thirds-of-americans-think-government-should-do-more-on-climate/ https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/06/23/two-thirds-of...
        robocat 1y ago
        If tax credit incentives don't achieve lower emissions, then scrapping the credits is sensible. I tried to find a study on whether EVs do actually decrease total carbon emissions overall in the US. Embodied carbon, low mileage (second car?), high emission electricity generation, how profits are spent, etcetera, can peversely cause increased emissions. One figure I found was: Teslas 8,786 annual miles compared with 11,642 for gasoline cars (in their sample). In 2022, the average driver in the U.S. drove 13,596 miles. Incentivising very low mileage users with high carbon footprint manufacture would be environmentally unsound.

jleyank 1y ago

I assume the political environment for the next 2-4 years will make public assistance wrt charger networks (or the changes to the power grid to help such) pretty much zero. So, in addition to all of the increased difficulties in purchasing EV's, there won't be any help wrt range extension. Hopefully, they won't rip up what's already in place.

bigyabai 1y ago
Charging networks shouldn't need public assistance. They are privately owned, for-profit infrastructure that can stay well away from my tax dollars and national debt, thank you.