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Can they really do this? You're telling me this is real and not one of those "just for show" things that have no real teeth and will eventually get overturned b

by ivape 1y ago

Can they really do this? You're telling me this is real and not one of those "just for show" things that have no real teeth and will eventually get overturned by a judge?

adamors 1y ago
Checks and balances are just words. So yes, they can and will do everything they want.
- more_corn 1y ago
  I mean Harvard will fight back in court. The courts are last bastion. Once the executive branch stops following what the courts order the checks and balances are gone.
  - dragontamer 1y ago
    How is the Supreme Court's 9-0 decision in favor of returning Garcia working out? The courts have been beaten months ago. We are well into crazy train territory.
    - ty6853 1y ago
      Lol Rubio told Xinis on national TV he was intentionally stonewalling any information to her, and she took it like a bitch and just kept rolling with keeping most their 'secrets' under seal (despite earlier talking big game of exposing them to sunlight). The courts aren't even trying, they could order someone into contempt, but they won't.
      - CamperBob2 1y ago
        "Ninth Circuit? Never heard of them. How many divisions do they have?"
    - bloomingeek 1y ago
      We are in a non-constitutional crazy train territory, which will continue unless the right leaning voters do something about it at mid-terms. We're in the beginning of a very dangerous era.
      - trealira 1y ago
        They're not going to do anything about it. This is what they voted for. They thrive on our fear and anger. This is their revenge for the perceived wrongs of the Obama and Biden administrations.
  - deleted 1y ago
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- mmooss 1y ago
  > Checks and balances are just words. By that logic, Trump's orders are just words. The Trump administration obeys the courts - they push the envelope way too far, but it is still rule of law.
  - threeseed 1y ago
    > The Trump administration obeys the courts No they don't: https://apnews.com/article/deportation-immigration-south-sudan-department-of-homeland-security-a09612dbd055c5d1d88902c415bdf3e6 https://apnews.com/article/deportation-immigration-south-sud...
    - mmooss 1y ago
      That is happening, but it's a narrow instance. It doesn't mean there aren't serious issues, but the GGP said, "Checks and balances are just words." Obviously that is not true. Also, Trump is relying on Congress to pass bills, for example. It's not rule by decree.
  - alpaca128 1y ago
    They deported a man to El Salvador against a court order and then ignored an order from the Supreme Court to return him.
    - mmooss 1y ago
      That's one person. While it's very important, it doesn't at all mean the courts don't exit. > order from the Supreme Court to return him. The Supreme Court did not order that. Edit: If you object to these things, realize you are helping the Trump administration by spreading exaggerated fears about what's happening. They want people to believe they are super-powerful, unstoppable, inevitable; it intimidates people into inaction. Also, without accurate information, people can't make good decisions and act - you are helping a propaganda campaign (unwittingly). And finally, spreading fear is not what good, responsible leaders - or teammates - do.
  - bloomingeek 1y ago
DrillShopper 1y ago
> will eventually get overturned by a judge Will the people who had to transfer or leave be made whole? Even if a judge overturns this it will take time that the students impacted by this will have to pay, regardless of outcome.
tick_tock_tick 1y ago
Absolutely they have explicit powers to do this. Harvard is refusing to comply with the requirements of the visa program that allows them to bring student into the country so the administration is removing Harvard from the program. There is little to no chance of this getting overturned.
- HamsterDan 1y ago
  There is a 99% chance of this getting overturned. Harvard will sue, lose in court, and then give DHS everything they want at which point they'll get their visas back. They just want to pretend to be the victim for a while so that their overwhelmingly far-left faculty don't leave.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  That's a weird way of phrasing things. Harvard isn't "bringing students into the country" in the way an employer might relocate an employee. People want to study in the US, and the administration is revoking Harvard's ability to be on the list of study destinations. The students want to go to Harvard, it's not that Harvard wants the students (of course they do, but that's not the direct concern here).

by ivape 1y ago

Can they really do this? You're telling me this is real and not one of those "just for show" things that have no real teeth and will eventually get overturned by a judge?

adamors 1y ago

Checks and balances are just words. So yes, they can and will do everything they want.

more_corn 1y ago
I mean Harvard will fight back in court. The courts are last bastion. Once the executive branch stops following what the courts order the checks and balances are gone.
- dragontamer 1y ago
  How is the Supreme Court's 9-0 decision in favor of returning Garcia working out? The courts have been beaten months ago. We are well into crazy train territory.
  - ty6853 1y ago
    Lol Rubio told Xinis on national TV he was intentionally stonewalling any information to her, and she took it like a bitch and just kept rolling with keeping most their 'secrets' under seal (despite earlier talking big game of exposing them to sunlight). The courts aren't even trying, they could order someone into contempt, but they won't.
    - CamperBob2 1y ago
      "Ninth Circuit? Never heard of them. How many divisions do they have?"
  - bloomingeek 1y ago
    We are in a non-constitutional crazy train territory, which will continue unless the right leaning voters do something about it at mid-terms. We're in the beginning of a very dangerous era.
    - trealira 1y ago
      They're not going to do anything about it. This is what they voted for. They thrive on our fear and anger. This is their revenge for the perceived wrongs of the Obama and Biden administrations.
- deleted 1y ago
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mmooss 1y ago
> Checks and balances are just words. By that logic, Trump's orders are just words. The Trump administration obeys the courts - they push the envelope way too far, but it is still rule of law.
- threeseed 1y ago
  > The Trump administration obeys the courts No they don't: https://apnews.com/article/deportation-immigration-south-sudan-department-of-homeland-security-a09612dbd055c5d1d88902c415bdf3e6 https://apnews.com/article/deportation-immigration-south-sud...
  - mmooss 1y ago
    That is happening, but it's a narrow instance. It doesn't mean there aren't serious issues, but the GGP said, "Checks and balances are just words." Obviously that is not true. Also, Trump is relying on Congress to pass bills, for example. It's not rule by decree.
- alpaca128 1y ago
  They deported a man to El Salvador against a court order and then ignored an order from the Supreme Court to return him.
  - mmooss 1y ago
    That's one person. While it's very important, it doesn't at all mean the courts don't exit. > order from the Supreme Court to return him. The Supreme Court did not order that. Edit: If you object to these things, realize you are helping the Trump administration by spreading exaggerated fears about what's happening. They want people to believe they are super-powerful, unstoppable, inevitable; it intimidates people into inaction. Also, without accurate information, people can't make good decisions and act - you are helping a propaganda campaign (unwittingly). And finally, spreading fear is not what good, responsible leaders - or teammates - do.
- bloomingeek 1y ago

DrillShopper 1y ago

> will eventually get overturned by a judge Will the people who had to transfer or leave be made whole? Even if a judge overturns this it will take time that the students impacted by this will have to pay, regardless of outcome.

tick_tock_tick 1y ago

Absolutely they have explicit powers to do this. Harvard is refusing to comply with the requirements of the visa program that allows them to bring student into the country so the administration is removing Harvard from the program. There is little to no chance of this getting overturned.

HamsterDan 1y ago
There is a 99% chance of this getting overturned. Harvard will sue, lose in court, and then give DHS everything they want at which point they'll get their visas back. They just want to pretend to be the victim for a while so that their overwhelmingly far-left faculty don't leave.
FireBeyond 1y ago
That's a weird way of phrasing things. Harvard isn't "bringing students into the country" in the way an employer might relocate an employee. People want to study in the US, and the administration is revoking Harvard's ability to be on the list of study destinations. The students want to go to Harvard, it's not that Harvard wants the students (of course they do, but that's not the direct concern here).