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I feel US higher education, which brain drains the rest of the world, is easily one of the best strategic advantages it could have for the next 100 years. Let’
by HEmanZ 1y ago
I feel US higher education, which brain drains the rest of the world, is easily one of the best strategic advantages it could have for the next 100 years.
Let’s throw that all away because learning is liberal.
- sillyfluke 1y agoWaterloo, McGill, and U of Toronto admissions offices should be spending the entire day tomorrow calling the full international Harvard roster ASAP.
- hangonhn 1y agoHonestly as an American, I would seriously consider how my daughter can go to these top Canadian or EU schools.
- OutOfHere 1y agoConsider ETH Zurich too, although if truth be told, K12+4+2 education is 100% obsoleted now by AI; only PhD is still very relevant.
- InitialLastName 1y agoThe AI didn't tell you that the idiom is "if truth be told", so how useful is it really?
- ben_w 1y agoBy the time LLMs are routinely writing, or even proof-reading, the majority of Hacker News comments, it's already game over for the internet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory
- tonfa 1y agoTho non trivial for non-swiss educated people to enter (and need German fluency for bachelor).
- comrade1234 1y agoEth is hard-core science and engineering like mit. Harvard is liberal arts.
- xemoka 1y agoIf Canada wasn't having it's own immigration and post-secondary issues, this would be great. But no, we already shot ourselves in the foot with that...
- xeromal 1y agoYeah, getting the worlds top brainiancs and enticing them with a good education and having some of them build their lives here is one of our greatest imports.
- blooalien 1y ago"The worlds top brainiacs" were a huge part of what "Made America Great" in the first place. The MAGA "leadership" is doing the exact literal polar opposite of the stated mission of their slogan (and with far more than just education; wrecking the economy, alienating our allies, destroying freedom of speech, enabling and even encouraging pollution [and trying to even mandate it in California apparently] ... the list goes on).
- archagon 1y agoMAGA sincerely thinks they’re the real brainiacs.
- bryant 1y agoThere's probably some truth to this idea (https://academic.oup.com/poq/article-abstract/84/1/24/5758079 https://academic.oup.com/poq/article-abstract/84/1/24/575807...), even though it comes across as a low effort comment up front.
- kccoder 1y agoMAGA isn’t trying to make America great in any meaningful way. They want to make it theirs.
- bogwog 1y agoEducation is obsolete thanks to AI. US is just ahead of the curve as usual. (/s in case it wasn't obvious)
- onlyrealcuzzo 1y agoI'm sure all the foreigners denied entry to Harvard will be happy to attend Trump University instead. /s in case not obvious
- thg 1y agoThey couldn't even if they wanted to, because that scam was shut down in 2011.
- mrtksn 1y agoThe action by itself comes as a punishment which imply that this is indeed great resource but because Harvard was a naughty boy means that can't have it. I want to note that when Brexit happened EU citizens had about 2 years period to move to UK and just like that get their full rights there and those with enough years of stay had the right to obtain British citizenship. Streamlined process through scanning your id using an app, little to no hassle. IIRC half of the EU citizens left despite having all those rights and streamlined bureaucracy. My observation was that those desperate or those who ware having their perfect life stayed, those who had other options left UK because it wasn't worth the stress and you future being bargaining chips for politicians. I bet you, if this continues for some more time USA will no longer receive the best and the brightest. Those have options and their parents will prefer the options where their golden kids don't risk being subject to life changing actions or even abuse.
- wat10000 1y agoEven if it stopped immediately, we'll still get a lot fewer of these people. The US is now a country where anonymous government thugs can snatch foreigners off the street and put them in jail for saying the wrong things. Even if we stop doing that today, what's to say we won't start it up again at any time? Who's going to risk that just to go to an American university? Our universities are good but not that good.
- thaumasiotes 1y ago> I bet you, if this continues for some more time USA will no longer receive the best and the brightest. International students are heavily selected for wealth rather than brightness.
- CamperBob2 1y agoBe that as it may, look at the names on any random research paper or journal article that originates from any randomly-chosen American university, and see what they tell you.
- mrtksn 1y agoThere's certainly an allotment for the rich and connected(Erdoğan's son studied at Harvard and he is a meme for his brains in Turkey, having trouble to understand his father's commands on leaked police surveillance tape. Turks don't say ELI5, they say ELI Bilal - the Harvard boy) but hardy its the majority. Maybe for BS and on some lighter majors, definitely not on the real deal. Just check papers for ground breaking research, you'll see the names are predominantly foreign. This recent AI breakthrough is heavily done by people from Europe, Israel, Canada and China. That's why the speakers at AI videos have funny accents. People with options will start avoiding USA unless the have to.
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- joshstrange 1y ago> Let’s throw that all away because learning is liberal. Makes me think of: "Reality has a well known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert The amount of "burn it all down because I don't like the people that like this thing" is depressing.
- UncleOxidant 1y agoThis is essentially cultural revolution from the right.
- aeternum 1y agoWhat is taught matters a lot. Suppose a foreign adversary were able to infiltrate key US higher education institutions and subtly change the curriculum to be pro-communism and avoid STEM subjects.
- HEmanZ 1y agoSuppose a foreign adversary were able to infiltrate the key US institution that determines if higher education institutions have been infiltrated and subtly accuses them of being pro communist? What if a foreign adversary infiltrates the institution that appoints the individuals who run the institution that determines whether a higher education institution has been infiltrated!? What if a foreign adversary infiltrates the… !?! The beauty of a system where many different and independent institutions compete for students and teachers independently, develop and share ideas and technologies, cross examine each other, and collectively build knowledge, is that they don’t have some single point in the system that can be infiltrated, and all have to compete in the arena of ideas. The closest thing to a single point that can be infiltrated is the federal government, which can be used to put pressure on the whole system from a point of higher power.
- aeternum 1y agoCompetition is a beautiful system so let those independent institutions compete without the government playing favorites by funding some and not others.
- femiagbabiaka 1y agoIt's not even clear that higher education produces liberals. Half of Trump-land went to Ivy Leagues.
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