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The answer to this is easy. Rewind time and put a 200K minimum salary on visa talent, and ban products sold here to utilize overseas employees. Sell it here, yo

The answer to this is easy. Rewind time and put a 200K minimum salary on visa talent, and ban products sold here to utilize overseas employees. Sell it here, you build it here. Then you have all the jobs you need and more. To fix it today, you do the same thing. But you'd have to also cancel all the visas, and invalidate citizenship that was founded on fraud. Not much more to this story, if your concern is having jobs in the USA for people already here.

hedora 1y ago
You’re describing current policy. It’s crashing the economy, as predicted by anyone that has read an introductory economics textbook.
- BuckRogers 1y ago
  Your definition of "the economy" must be how Google shareholders feel. Which doesn't concern me. Individuals in the USA have been experiencing the pain alone for a few decades now. They've felt a very real crash for quite a while now. For me, how a worker born in the US is doing is the economy. That's the New Right, while your views represent the Left in this country. Any pain Google feels in the shift to tariffs and jobs for Americans rather than the rest of the world isn't optional. They're welcome to shutdown US operations if it's undoable.
  - eyesofgod 1y ago
    > For me, how a worker born in the US is doing is "the economy". That's the New Right, while your views represent the Left in this country. Great, now drop the African deriding American workers and signing praise of Pajeet River-shitter and I'll beleive you.
    - BuckRogers 1y ago
      Interesting litmus test and response. I'm not here to convince you. I'm not actually racist. I like Indians and think they're wonderful people. This topic is really about an injustice, not really a focus on population groups.
OutOfHere 1y ago
Invalidating citizenship is always a bad idea. Once it begins, it will lead to civil war. Once citizenship is granted, there is no reverting it.
- BuckRogers 1y ago
  Denaturalization has always been done and nothing new. The US government can revoke citizenship for those who obtained it fraudulently. This can happen if an individual made false statements or concealed material facts during the naturalization process. The government must prove "clear, convincing, and unequivocal evidence" of fraud to succeed in a denaturalization case. I'd expect more of this going forward.
  - OutOfHere 1y ago
    And what does this have to do with a visa worker? Nothing. It's the government that allow lax policies for work visas. The fault here is not the worker's.
    - BuckRogers 1y ago
      I was responding to you. So you tell me. You did not mention H1Bs so I did not address that concern. You asked me about denaturalization and I gave you the answer to that. I'm open to discussing visas if you wish, but I did not imply there was a connection between denaturalization and cancelling visas. These are two distinct avenues for removing excess resources from the American labor pool. The only connection between those two groups is that both do place a downward effect on our wages.
      - OutOfHere 1y ago
        When you use the word "our", it's supposed to refer to US citizens. Once a person is a citizen, they are a part of this group. To want to denaturalize anyone means your quest is not rooted in a rational separation of who belongs and who doesn't. Maybe someone will want to denaturalize you and show you the door just the same, so how about that.

hedora 1y ago

You’re describing current policy. It’s crashing the economy, as predicted by anyone that has read an introductory economics textbook.

BuckRogers 1y ago
Your definition of "the economy" must be how Google shareholders feel. Which doesn't concern me. Individuals in the USA have been experiencing the pain alone for a few decades now. They've felt a very real crash for quite a while now. For me, how a worker born in the US is doing is the economy. That's the New Right, while your views represent the Left in this country. Any pain Google feels in the shift to tariffs and jobs for Americans rather than the rest of the world isn't optional. They're welcome to shutdown US operations if it's undoable.
- eyesofgod 1y ago
  > For me, how a worker born in the US is doing is "the economy". That's the New Right, while your views represent the Left in this country. Great, now drop the African deriding American workers and signing praise of Pajeet River-shitter and I'll beleive you.
  - BuckRogers 1y ago
    Interesting litmus test and response. I'm not here to convince you. I'm not actually racist. I like Indians and think they're wonderful people. This topic is really about an injustice, not really a focus on population groups.

OutOfHere 1y ago

Invalidating citizenship is always a bad idea. Once it begins, it will lead to civil war. Once citizenship is granted, there is no reverting it.

BuckRogers 1y ago
Denaturalization has always been done and nothing new. The US government can revoke citizenship for those who obtained it fraudulently. This can happen if an individual made false statements or concealed material facts during the naturalization process. The government must prove "clear, convincing, and unequivocal evidence" of fraud to succeed in a denaturalization case. I'd expect more of this going forward.
- OutOfHere 1y ago
  And what does this have to do with a visa worker? Nothing. It's the government that allow lax policies for work visas. The fault here is not the worker's.
  - BuckRogers 1y ago
    I was responding to you. So you tell me. You did not mention H1Bs so I did not address that concern. You asked me about denaturalization and I gave you the answer to that. I'm open to discussing visas if you wish, but I did not imply there was a connection between denaturalization and cancelling visas. These are two distinct avenues for removing excess resources from the American labor pool. The only connection between those two groups is that both do place a downward effect on our wages.
    - OutOfHere 1y ago
      When you use the word "our", it's supposed to refer to US citizens. Once a person is a citizen, they are a part of this group. To want to denaturalize anyone means your quest is not rooted in a rational separation of who belongs and who doesn't. Maybe someone will want to denaturalize you and show you the door just the same, so how about that.