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>The product will be capable of being fully aware of a user’s surroundings and life, will be unobtrusive, able to rest in one’s pocket or on one’s desk, and wou

by duxup 1y ago

>The product will be capable of being fully aware of a user’s surroundings and life, will be unobtrusive, able to rest in one’s pocket or on one’s desk, and would be a third core device a person would put on their desk after a MacBook Pro and an iPhone. We're all comfortable with phones with all sorts of sensors, but most of those are on or off in a way we understand. I'm not a fan of the idea that someone else around me brings a device that is perpetually "fully aware of a user’s surroundings and life" around me and then now my privacy is gone ...

JohnFen 1y ago
> I'm not a fan of the idea that someone else around me brings a device that is perpetually "fully aware of a user’s surroundings and life" around me and then now my privacy is gone This is my primary concern about these things. I'd be very likely to avoid being around people that I know are using something like this to the greatest degree I can.
andrewfromx 1y ago
you know the story of callerID from the 1990s? The whole idea that it was a person's right to see WHO was calling them was deemed crazy. Before this it was consider your right to call people anonymously. Now when we see "Unknown Caller" no one answers. In 2030 this little orb will be so standard if someone wants their privacy back it will be seen the same way. They are the ones wanting to call someone anonymously.
- falcor84 1y ago
  While I don't like this future, I'm afraid that you're correct in your prediction. This is actually the sentiment I had about Google Glass - people (and tech) were not ready then, but I think that slowly the world is moving towards the acceptance that everything is being recorded and analyzed, by default. I just hope that we'll still be able to have some private spheres where there is no recording, but am concerned that this would have to be enforced by just not having any electronics there at all.
  - duxup 1y ago
    The idea of Google glass in the bathroom still creeps me out. >just not having any electronics there at all A few decades ago the company I worked for sent people out to a government contractor's site and the rule was ZERO electronics. Outside you and your clothing nothing that went in came out. Your car and keys were kept at the gate securely. You were blindfolded and lead to the location to do your work. Blindfolds aside, I think that's the future.
    - andrewfromx 1y ago
      Google glass in the bathroom - like a locker room at a gym? Yeah, but then again any picture taken of someone fully clothed AI can just remove the clothing. There was this new "Take it down Act" law just passed. But with AI it's almost moot? Any picture can now be just altered to be explicit.
      - flir 1y ago
        No, it can replace the clothes with a naked body that is statistically representative of the naked bodies found in American porn. No matter how many times I try, it never renders my third nipple correctly.
        falcor84 1y ago
        I actually checked on civitai now and was flabbergasted that no one apparently posted a third nipple LoRA. There is a third breast LoRA [0], but I couldn't find a basic third nipple. [0] https://civitai.com/models/15074 https://civitai.com/models/15074 (obviously NSFW)
    - delfinom 1y ago
      Yea they don't do blindfolds these days. They tend to just have projects in their own independent rooms. No electronics are still a rule. You leave your phone with security at the front desk if you need it more accessible than the parking lot.
- dkkergoog 1y ago
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- rendaw 1y ago
  I don't think this applies here. That's "other people's privacy" not "your own privacy". Not that I think you're wrong, people put alexa in their houses, buy samsung smart tvs, etc.
bjelkeman-again 1y ago
What is this thing for? That is going to be a hard no in so many contexts. Hospitals, gyms, many work environments, my house, the list is going to be long. We know the companies can’t keep their government from forcing access at some point or another. We also know at some point a zero day exploit will allow pin point targeting of who you want to spy on. We see this already on mobile phones. Edit: When I read the archive link above I can’t actually see the quote referenced.
darth_avocado 1y ago
Most people will give privacy away for convenience or because they want the thing buys them status. The few holdouts will be pressured into get the new thing because they risk being left behind or not be in the loop. If done right, this will go exactly like smartphones did.
- JohnFen 1y ago
  > Most people will give privacy away for convenience or because they want the thing buys them status. Which is totally fine. What is not totally fine is people giving my privacy away for their convenience and/or status.
  - duxup 1y ago
    I fear the lines are blurred. Someone gives access to say their texts, that's some of yours too, and so on.
- duxup 1y ago
  I fear that's true, people just don't care.
BurningFrog 1y ago
I'm not a fan either, but I think it's inevitable that everything we do, at least in any not 100% private space, will be recorded in the not distant future. Because recording will be so very cheap and useful. As an example, my car has at least 5 cameras that are constantly on. This is - or will be soon - true for all cars. So anytime you can see a car, you're being recorded.
- somenameforme 1y ago
  More likely we're just in a liminal phase. There are basically no meaningful privacy protections to speak of basically anywhere in the world. And the same was once true of drug laws, gambling laws, weapons laws, advertising laws (as in you could sell a bag of chalk and claim it was whatever you wanted at one time), and so on endlessly. The odds of there being no privacy laws perpetually into the future are probably 0. So we're just in a period that'll probably be thought of, in terms of privacy, of how we might think of the 'wild west' in terms of guns/violence. And I think the change will probably come fairly soon, especially if this idea isn't as DOA as wearable AR stuff was.
lif 1y ago
so, basically: Total Information Awareness* (pitched as personal 'ultimate' convenience gadget, of course) (Anyone hear read _We_?)
ethbr1 1y ago
Cue enhanced 2 party recording laws.

by duxup 1y ago

JohnFen 1y ago

> I'm not a fan of the idea that someone else around me brings a device that is perpetually "fully aware of a user’s surroundings and life" around me and then now my privacy is gone This is my primary concern about these things. I'd be very likely to avoid being around people that I know are using something like this to the greatest degree I can.

andrewfromx 1y ago

you know the story of callerID from the 1990s? The whole idea that it was a person's right to see WHO was calling them was deemed crazy. Before this it was consider your right to call people anonymously. Now when we see "Unknown Caller" no one answers. In 2030 this little orb will be so standard if someone wants their privacy back it will be seen the same way. They are the ones wanting to call someone anonymously.

falcor84 1y ago
While I don't like this future, I'm afraid that you're correct in your prediction. This is actually the sentiment I had about Google Glass - people (and tech) were not ready then, but I think that slowly the world is moving towards the acceptance that everything is being recorded and analyzed, by default. I just hope that we'll still be able to have some private spheres where there is no recording, but am concerned that this would have to be enforced by just not having any electronics there at all.
- duxup 1y ago
  The idea of Google glass in the bathroom still creeps me out. >just not having any electronics there at all A few decades ago the company I worked for sent people out to a government contractor's site and the rule was ZERO electronics. Outside you and your clothing nothing that went in came out. Your car and keys were kept at the gate securely. You were blindfolded and lead to the location to do your work. Blindfolds aside, I think that's the future.
  - andrewfromx 1y ago
    Google glass in the bathroom - like a locker room at a gym? Yeah, but then again any picture taken of someone fully clothed AI can just remove the clothing. There was this new "Take it down Act" law just passed. But with AI it's almost moot? Any picture can now be just altered to be explicit.
    - flir 1y ago
      No, it can replace the clothes with a naked body that is statistically representative of the naked bodies found in American porn. No matter how many times I try, it never renders my third nipple correctly.
      - falcor84 1y ago
        I actually checked on civitai now and was flabbergasted that no one apparently posted a third nipple LoRA. There is a third breast LoRA [0], but I couldn't find a basic third nipple. [0] https://civitai.com/models/15074 https://civitai.com/models/15074 (obviously NSFW)
  - delfinom 1y ago
    Yea they don't do blindfolds these days. They tend to just have projects in their own independent rooms. No electronics are still a rule. You leave your phone with security at the front desk if you need it more accessible than the parking lot.
dkkergoog 1y ago
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rendaw 1y ago
I don't think this applies here. That's "other people's privacy" not "your own privacy". Not that I think you're wrong, people put alexa in their houses, buy samsung smart tvs, etc.

bjelkeman-again 1y ago

What is this thing for? That is going to be a hard no in so many contexts. Hospitals, gyms, many work environments, my house, the list is going to be long. We know the companies can’t keep their government from forcing access at some point or another. We also know at some point a zero day exploit will allow pin point targeting of who you want to spy on. We see this already on mobile phones. Edit: When I read the archive link above I can’t actually see the quote referenced.

darth_avocado 1y ago

Most people will give privacy away for convenience or because they want the thing buys them status. The few holdouts will be pressured into get the new thing because they risk being left behind or not be in the loop. If done right, this will go exactly like smartphones did.

JohnFen 1y ago
> Most people will give privacy away for convenience or because they want the thing buys them status. Which is totally fine. What is not totally fine is people giving my privacy away for their convenience and/or status.
- duxup 1y ago
  I fear the lines are blurred. Someone gives access to say their texts, that's some of yours too, and so on.
duxup 1y ago
I fear that's true, people just don't care.

BurningFrog 1y ago

I'm not a fan either, but I think it's inevitable that everything we do, at least in any not 100% private space, will be recorded in the not distant future. Because recording will be so very cheap and useful. As an example, my car has at least 5 cameras that are constantly on. This is - or will be soon - true for all cars. So anytime you can see a car, you're being recorded.

somenameforme 1y ago
More likely we're just in a liminal phase. There are basically no meaningful privacy protections to speak of basically anywhere in the world. And the same was once true of drug laws, gambling laws, weapons laws, advertising laws (as in you could sell a bag of chalk and claim it was whatever you wanted at one time), and so on endlessly. The odds of there being no privacy laws perpetually into the future are probably 0. So we're just in a period that'll probably be thought of, in terms of privacy, of how we might think of the 'wild west' in terms of guns/violence. And I think the change will probably come fairly soon, especially if this idea isn't as DOA as wearable AR stuff was.

lif 1y ago

so, basically: Total Information Awareness* (pitched as personal 'ultimate' convenience gadget, of course) (Anyone hear read _We_?)

ethbr1 1y ago

Cue enhanced 2 party recording laws.