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Unsurprising. Tesla were always a weird fit for the European markets. They are too big and especially too wide. The finish is haphazard. At their price point,

Unsurprising. Tesla were always a weird fit for the European markets. They are too big and especially too wide. The finish is haphazard. At their price point, which is high for all the segments they compete in, they don't really compare favorably to European brands. They used to be able to compete on battery performance and drive trains but that's hardly the case anymore. It was always pretty clear that Tesla is entirely driven from the USA and has no idea of how and what to sell to European in a way not too dissimilar to other American car makers which could never really succeed in Europe either. Meanwhile, BYD is genuinely competitive in Europe. Their cars are well positioned in the middle of every segments they are in. They would actually be on the more accessible side without tariffs. Their design is nothing to talk about but they blend well with other cars. Their size is great. They do ok confort-wise, nothing extraordinary but not too shabby either. Basically, they are ok cars at an ok price, something which can't be said of Tesla.

beAbU 1y ago
Tesla is mad popular in Ireland. They are everywhere. In my town alone there are two Model 3 taxis, out of a total of about 10 taxis locally.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  Might be just sampling error? (10 taxis isn't a lot of taxis). Most electric taxis I see in Dublin are VW id3/4. (Though Toyotas seem to be on the rise now that Toyota has grudgingly released an EV; taxi drivers have always loved Toyota.) EDIT: Yeah. So far this year, the id.4 is number 18 overall, Kia EV3 is 26th, Tesla Model 3 is 27th, Tesla Y is 86th. So Telsa's... not quite irrelevant, EV-wise, but kinda getting there (note that Hyundai, Kia, VW, BYD etc all have a bunch of models vs Tesla's two models, and Tesla's still trailing). https://stats.beepbeep.ie https://stats.beepbeep.ie
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  Small towns are more likely to give sampling errors, would suggest looking at national or even county level statistics to confirm your feeling.
  - tzs 1y ago
    Another source of sampling error I've run into is that Tesla only makes EVs which makes them easier to count. I live in the US state (Washington) where energy prices on average are most favorable to EVs (for people who can charge at home) and I'm in the part of the state where gas prices are particularly high. I'd expect then to see a fair number of EVs. For the maybe three when I'm out driving I've tried to count the EVs I see. At first I'd see 2 or 3 Teslas per 100 cars (I excluded vehicles that were obviously commercial vehicles), and an occasional Rivian. More recently it is 3 to 5 Teslas and still the occasional Rivian. The only other EVs I've counted in the last month or so are 1 Hyundai IONIQ 5, 1 Kia EV6, 1 Nissan Ariya, 1 Nissan Leaf, a couple or so Chevy Bolts, and a Ford Mustang Mach-E. I suspect that there are a lot more than that but I'm missing them because all of those companies make non-EVs too. With a Tesla all I've got to do is see the "T" and I know it is an EV. Say I see a Chevy SUV. I need to get a close enough look to identify the model. If it is a model for which they have both EV and ICE versions, such as an Equinox or Blazer, I then have to look for details to decide if I'm looking at the EV version of the ICE version. Let's say it is an Equinox. The EV has those weird flat pop out door handles whereas the ICE (I believe) has normal handles. The EV has the charge port on the front driver side, the ICE has the gas intake on the back driver side. The EV has a different grille design (but for some colors they look quite similar if you don't get a close look). Or say I see a Hyundai Kona. Open these [1][2] in two different browser tabs and flip between them. It looks like just minor stylistic differences. You can rotate them to look from different angles. If you see a Kona on your left the differences are just a slightly different fender, different wheel design, and slight profile differences in the grille and rear bumper. Easy to miss. Heck, I have a Kona SEL Electric and if I hadn't just flipped between those two pages looking at them from the right side I would not have been able to tell if another Kona SEL next to me was gas or electric, because those are difference in features of the car that I've simply never noticed. I only spotted the IONIQ 5, EV6, Ariya, Leaf, and Bolts because they happened to be going in the same direction as me and so when we passed I has able to see the model name, and those particular models are only available as EVs. If they had been going in the opposite direction I probably only would have got the make. I only spotted the Mach-E because I saw the Mustang logo and the car was one of the ones where the grille does not have a bunch of openings that look like air intakes so I knew I was probably looking at an EV version. If it had been one of the Mach-Es whose grille does have those openings I probably would have missed it. [1] https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/kona/sel https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/kona/sel [2] https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/kona-electric/sel https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/kona-electric/sel

beAbU 1y ago

Tesla is mad popular in Ireland. They are everywhere. In my town alone there are two Model 3 taxis, out of a total of about 10 taxis locally.

rsynnott 1y ago
Might be just sampling error? (10 taxis isn't a lot of taxis). Most electric taxis I see in Dublin are VW id3/4. (Though Toyotas seem to be on the rise now that Toyota has grudgingly released an EV; taxi drivers have always loved Toyota.) EDIT: Yeah. So far this year, the id.4 is number 18 overall, Kia EV3 is 26th, Tesla Model 3 is 27th, Tesla Y is 86th. So Telsa's... not quite irrelevant, EV-wise, but kinda getting there (note that Hyundai, Kia, VW, BYD etc all have a bunch of models vs Tesla's two models, and Tesla's still trailing). https://stats.beepbeep.ie https://stats.beepbeep.ie
AlecSchueler 1y ago
Small towns are more likely to give sampling errors, would suggest looking at national or even county level statistics to confirm your feeling.
- tzs 1y ago
  Another source of sampling error I've run into is that Tesla only makes EVs which makes them easier to count. I live in the US state (Washington) where energy prices on average are most favorable to EVs (for people who can charge at home) and I'm in the part of the state where gas prices are particularly high. I'd expect then to see a fair number of EVs. For the maybe three when I'm out driving I've tried to count the EVs I see. At first I'd see 2 or 3 Teslas per 100 cars (I excluded vehicles that were obviously commercial vehicles), and an occasional Rivian. More recently it is 3 to 5 Teslas and still the occasional Rivian. The only other EVs I've counted in the last month or so are 1 Hyundai IONIQ 5, 1 Kia EV6, 1 Nissan Ariya, 1 Nissan Leaf, a couple or so Chevy Bolts, and a Ford Mustang Mach-E. I suspect that there are a lot more than that but I'm missing them because all of those companies make non-EVs too. With a Tesla all I've got to do is see the "T" and I know it is an EV. Say I see a Chevy SUV. I need to get a close enough look to identify the model. If it is a model for which they have both EV and ICE versions, such as an Equinox or Blazer, I then have to look for details to decide if I'm looking at the EV version of the ICE version. Let's say it is an Equinox. The EV has those weird flat pop out door handles whereas the ICE (I believe) has normal handles. The EV has the charge port on the front driver side, the ICE has the gas intake on the back driver side. The EV has a different grille design (but for some colors they look quite similar if you don't get a close look). Or say I see a Hyundai Kona. Open these [1][2] in two different browser tabs and flip between them. It looks like just minor stylistic differences. You can rotate them to look from different angles. If you see a Kona on your left the differences are just a slightly different fender, different wheel design, and slight profile differences in the grille and rear bumper. Easy to miss. Heck, I have a Kona SEL Electric and if I hadn't just flipped between those two pages looking at them from the right side I would not have been able to tell if another Kona SEL next to me was gas or electric, because those are difference in features of the car that I've simply never noticed. I only spotted the IONIQ 5, EV6, Ariya, Leaf, and Bolts because they happened to be going in the same direction as me and so when we passed I has able to see the model name, and those particular models are only available as EVs. If they had been going in the opposite direction I probably only would have got the make. I only spotted the Mach-E because I saw the Mustang logo and the car was one of the ones where the grille does not have a bunch of openings that look like air intakes so I knew I was probably looking at an EV version. If it had been one of the Mach-Es whose grille does have those openings I probably would have missed it. [1] https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/kona/sel https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/kona/sel [2] https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/kona-electric/sel https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/kona-electric/sel