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The boycott of Tesla isn't related to the quality of the cars but the political overtures of the CEO.

by s_dev 1y ago

owebmaster 1y ago
The customers noticing the quality been not great is just consequence
moogly 1y ago
A little bit of column A and B and C. Quality is fine (except their rust protection, last I checked), but not making a new mass market car in 5 years, and just 2 lackluster refreshes to pretty milquetoast cars, and no technical updates is a bit baffling with tens of billions of cash in the books (hopefully non-cooked). Their 1.5 models on offer feel quite dated, even with the refresh. Makes you wonder if, perhaps, doing small incremental updates and spending time on fart apps and light shows is perhaps less successful in the long run than doing bigger updates every 3-5 years. The rest is a bunch of broken promises.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  > A little bit of column A and B and C. You think sales would be declining anywhere near as rapidly if it weren't for the nazi salutes, DOGE, and white genocide stuff etc.? Talking about comparatively small strategy errors in a company that was such a big force in the market seems like painting over the elephant in the room when the CEO is going off the rails and talking about exporting his personal brand of neo-facism via threats to "Make Europe Great Again," openly funding far right groups who are later declared illegal extremists etc. There's bad business and there's BAD business.
  - moogly 1y ago
    Just disagreeing that the sales performance is _solely_ about that. Tesla yearly sales stopped growing in 2024. Also declining in China, where they don't care about what Musk is doing. Musk is still well-liked there, in fact. Competition is heating up and Tesla have been focusing on stock pumping stratagems instead of their core product line, and continuing to dig their own grave, but Musk's megalomania surely has accelerated that a ton.
    - AlecSchueler 1y ago
      > Just disagreeing that the sales performance is _solely_ about that. I know and I'm saying it's misleading to do so when column A is orders of magnitude bigger than column B or C. Column A has had the effect that people are vandalising the cars and burning down the dealerships. Column B is just indicative of the normal ebb and flow of the sector. > Also declining in China, where they don't care about what Musk is doing. Musk is still well-liked there, in fact. What are you basing that on? The United States has become an agressor against Chinese interests and poisoned the waters of free trade under Mr Musk's stewardship. Admittedly the only Chinese people I'm in regular contact with are all living in Europe but it's my experience that they're universally appalled by what we've seen.

The boycott of Tesla isn't related to the quality of the cars but the political overtures of the CEO.

by s_dev 1y ago

The boycott of Tesla isn't related to the quality of the cars but the political overtures of the CEO.

owebmaster 1y ago

The customers noticing the quality been not great is just consequence

moogly 1y ago

A little bit of column A and B and C. Quality is fine (except their rust protection, last I checked), but not making a new mass market car in 5 years, and just 2 lackluster refreshes to pretty milquetoast cars, and no technical updates is a bit baffling with tens of billions of cash in the books (hopefully non-cooked). Their 1.5 models on offer feel quite dated, even with the refresh. Makes you wonder if, perhaps, doing small incremental updates and spending time on fart apps and light shows is perhaps less successful in the long run than doing bigger updates every 3-5 years. The rest is a bunch of broken promises.

AlecSchueler 1y ago
> A little bit of column A and B and C. You think sales would be declining anywhere near as rapidly if it weren't for the nazi salutes, DOGE, and white genocide stuff etc.? Talking about comparatively small strategy errors in a company that was such a big force in the market seems like painting over the elephant in the room when the CEO is going off the rails and talking about exporting his personal brand of neo-facism via threats to "Make Europe Great Again," openly funding far right groups who are later declared illegal extremists etc. There's bad business and there's BAD business.
- moogly 1y ago
  Just disagreeing that the sales performance is _solely_ about that. Tesla yearly sales stopped growing in 2024. Also declining in China, where they don't care about what Musk is doing. Musk is still well-liked there, in fact. Competition is heating up and Tesla have been focusing on stock pumping stratagems instead of their core product line, and continuing to dig their own grave, but Musk's megalomania surely has accelerated that a ton.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    > Just disagreeing that the sales performance is _solely_ about that. I know and I'm saying it's misleading to do so when column A is orders of magnitude bigger than column B or C. Column A has had the effect that people are vandalising the cars and burning down the dealerships. Column B is just indicative of the normal ebb and flow of the sector. > Also declining in China, where they don't care about what Musk is doing. Musk is still well-liked there, in fact. What are you basing that on? The United States has become an agressor against Chinese interests and poisoned the waters of free trade under Mr Musk's stewardship. Admittedly the only Chinese people I'm in regular contact with are all living in Europe but it's my experience that they're universally appalled by what we've seen.