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For all its marvels, Tesla giving away so many of its discoveries, combined with a deeply Tesla-unfriendly local environment and a China willing to plough a hug

For all its marvels, Tesla giving away so many of its discoveries, combined with a deeply Tesla-unfriendly local environment and a China willing to plough a huge amount of money into crushing a genuine manufacturing rival, it doesn't look too good. I hope they get back on top, though. I just don't see how.

s_dev 1y ago
The boycott of Tesla isn't related to the quality of the cars but the political overtures of the CEO.
- owebmaster 1y ago
  The customers noticing the quality been not great is just consequence
- moogly 1y ago
  A little bit of column A and B and C. Quality is fine (except their rust protection, last I checked), but not making a new mass market car in 5 years, and just 2 lackluster refreshes to pretty milquetoast cars, and no technical updates is a bit baffling with tens of billions of cash in the books (hopefully non-cooked). Their 1.5 models on offer feel quite dated, even with the refresh. Makes you wonder if, perhaps, doing small incremental updates and spending time on fart apps and light shows is perhaps less successful in the long run than doing bigger updates every 3-5 years. The rest is a bunch of broken promises.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    > A little bit of column A and B and C. You think sales would be declining anywhere near as rapidly if it weren't for the nazi salutes, DOGE, and white genocide stuff etc.? Talking about comparatively small strategy errors in a company that was such a big force in the market seems like painting over the elephant in the room when the CEO is going off the rails and talking about exporting his personal brand of neo-facism via threats to "Make Europe Great Again," openly funding far right groups who are later declared illegal extremists etc. There's bad business and there's BAD business.
    - moogly 1y ago
      Just disagreeing that the sales performance is _solely_ about that. Tesla yearly sales stopped growing in 2024. Also declining in China, where they don't care about what Musk is doing. Musk is still well-liked there, in fact. Competition is heating up and Tesla have been focusing on stock pumping stratagems instead of their core product line, and continuing to dig their own grave, but Musk's megalomania surely has accelerated that a ton.
      - AlecSchueler 1y ago
        > Just disagreeing that the sales performance is _solely_ about that. I know and I'm saying it's misleading to do so when column A is orders of magnitude bigger than column B or C. Column A has had the effect that people are vandalising the cars and burning down the dealerships. Column B is just indicative of the normal ebb and flow of the sector. > Also declining in China, where they don't care about what Musk is doing. Musk is still well-liked there, in fact. What are you basing that on? The United States has become an agressor against Chinese interests and poisoned the waters of free trade under Mr Musk's stewardship. Admittedly the only Chinese people I'm in regular contact with are all living in Europe but it's my experience that they're universally appalled by what we've seen.
JKCalhoun 1y ago
Maybe Tesla can do something about their "deeply Tesla-unfriendly local environment"?
moogly 1y ago
That is interesting rhetoric. All external factors except the "giving away" thing, which is also strange. Are you thinking of the poisoned patents?
dagw 1y ago
I just don't see how. Simple. Musk steps away and the company issues a full statement distancing themselves from Musk and his politics. Tesla negotiates an end to its fights with the unions in Europe. Stop focusing on the Cybertruck and start making an updated Model 3 and a lower priced Model 2. Maybe push out a new Model S to take on the high end market while you're at it. Perhaps do some sort of marketing campaign to highlight that they're now just a cool car company again. People in Europe still like Tesla the car, and would happily start driving them again given some incentives.
- jeffhuys 1y ago
  > Musk steps away and the company issues a full statement distancing themselves from Musk and his politics. I'll tell you right now: the stock will plummet. That's my prediction.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    But sales would go up. What a mixed up muddled up world we live in, eh?
    - jeffhuys 1y ago
      I actually doubt that. Also.. I want to know: people say that Tesla owners should sell their card if they don’t want them keyed. Who should they sell them to?
bryanlarsen 1y ago
> I just don't see how. Split the hype part of the company from the profitable but dull part. Robots + FSD + Elon Musk -> hype part. Merge with xAI for full effect. Cars + Utility Storage + new dull CEO -> profitable dull part.
rsynnott 1y ago
> I hope they get back on top, though. ... I mean, why?
- philipallstar 1y ago
  Because they lead the world in electric innovation, and while Chinese copycats now exist, it's much, much easier to copy than to innovate.
AlecSchueler 1y ago
> I hope they get back on top, though Why? As someone terrified by recent political developments it's unfathomable to me that anyone could have any well wishes for them as long as Mr Musk profits from their success.
mrguyorama 1y ago
>Tesla giving away so many of its discoveries, What "Discoveries"? >Tesla-unfriendly local environment It is Musk who is unfriendly to Europe.

s_dev 1y ago

The boycott of Tesla isn't related to the quality of the cars but the political overtures of the CEO.

owebmaster 1y ago
The customers noticing the quality been not great is just consequence
moogly 1y ago
A little bit of column A and B and C. Quality is fine (except their rust protection, last I checked), but not making a new mass market car in 5 years, and just 2 lackluster refreshes to pretty milquetoast cars, and no technical updates is a bit baffling with tens of billions of cash in the books (hopefully non-cooked). Their 1.5 models on offer feel quite dated, even with the refresh. Makes you wonder if, perhaps, doing small incremental updates and spending time on fart apps and light shows is perhaps less successful in the long run than doing bigger updates every 3-5 years. The rest is a bunch of broken promises.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  > A little bit of column A and B and C. You think sales would be declining anywhere near as rapidly if it weren't for the nazi salutes, DOGE, and white genocide stuff etc.? Talking about comparatively small strategy errors in a company that was such a big force in the market seems like painting over the elephant in the room when the CEO is going off the rails and talking about exporting his personal brand of neo-facism via threats to "Make Europe Great Again," openly funding far right groups who are later declared illegal extremists etc. There's bad business and there's BAD business.
  - moogly 1y ago
    Just disagreeing that the sales performance is _solely_ about that. Tesla yearly sales stopped growing in 2024. Also declining in China, where they don't care about what Musk is doing. Musk is still well-liked there, in fact. Competition is heating up and Tesla have been focusing on stock pumping stratagems instead of their core product line, and continuing to dig their own grave, but Musk's megalomania surely has accelerated that a ton.
    - AlecSchueler 1y ago
      > Just disagreeing that the sales performance is _solely_ about that. I know and I'm saying it's misleading to do so when column A is orders of magnitude bigger than column B or C. Column A has had the effect that people are vandalising the cars and burning down the dealerships. Column B is just indicative of the normal ebb and flow of the sector. > Also declining in China, where they don't care about what Musk is doing. Musk is still well-liked there, in fact. What are you basing that on? The United States has become an agressor against Chinese interests and poisoned the waters of free trade under Mr Musk's stewardship. Admittedly the only Chinese people I'm in regular contact with are all living in Europe but it's my experience that they're universally appalled by what we've seen.

JKCalhoun 1y ago

Maybe Tesla can do something about their "deeply Tesla-unfriendly local environment"?

moogly 1y ago

That is interesting rhetoric. All external factors except the "giving away" thing, which is also strange. Are you thinking of the poisoned patents?

dagw 1y ago

I just don't see how. Simple. Musk steps away and the company issues a full statement distancing themselves from Musk and his politics. Tesla negotiates an end to its fights with the unions in Europe. Stop focusing on the Cybertruck and start making an updated Model 3 and a lower priced Model 2. Maybe push out a new Model S to take on the high end market while you're at it. Perhaps do some sort of marketing campaign to highlight that they're now just a cool car company again. People in Europe still like Tesla the car, and would happily start driving them again given some incentives.

jeffhuys 1y ago
> Musk steps away and the company issues a full statement distancing themselves from Musk and his politics. I'll tell you right now: the stock will plummet. That's my prediction.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  But sales would go up. What a mixed up muddled up world we live in, eh?
  - jeffhuys 1y ago
    I actually doubt that. Also.. I want to know: people say that Tesla owners should sell their card if they don’t want them keyed. Who should they sell them to?

bryanlarsen 1y ago

> I just don't see how. Split the hype part of the company from the profitable but dull part. Robots + FSD + Elon Musk -> hype part. Merge with xAI for full effect. Cars + Utility Storage + new dull CEO -> profitable dull part.

rsynnott 1y ago

> I hope they get back on top, though. ... I mean, why?

philipallstar 1y ago
Because they lead the world in electric innovation, and while Chinese copycats now exist, it's much, much easier to copy than to innovate.

AlecSchueler 1y ago

> I hope they get back on top, though Why? As someone terrified by recent political developments it's unfathomable to me that anyone could have any well wishes for them as long as Mr Musk profits from their success.

mrguyorama 1y ago

>Tesla giving away so many of its discoveries, What "Discoveries"? >Tesla-unfriendly local environment It is Musk who is unfriendly to Europe.